mac wrote:

Joanie wrote:Interesting topic,Violet.
I think I have related on site before about my husband's NDE.
Briefly,went on the operating table,his heart stopped and he found himself in a tunnel of beautiful rainbow colours.
The usual light at the end of the tunnel.
He drifted slowly up but about half way,he was drawn back.
He encountered no one up the tunnel.
One min,he was there and the next,he was in recovery.
He was very ill during that time,with cancer and heart problems.
1995 he was diagnosed with those symtoms,he passed in 2006.
The question is....why was he sent back to suffer all the pain which he did for another 11 years?

"The question is....why was he sent back to suffer all the pain which he did for another 11 years?" It wasn't that he had been 'sent back' but it was a situation that the time of his death was not imminent.

Take a look at my recent posting and see if my ideas have any resonance.[/quot

Yes,I understand Mac.
So I assume a severe heart attack would give the body a false message that
death was imminent and send the spirit on it's way but without releasing the silver cord.
Am I correct?

Joanie wrote:

mac wrote:

Joanie wrote:Interesting topic,Violet.
I think I have related on site before about my husband's NDE.
Briefly,went on the operating table,his heart stopped and he found himself in a tunnel of beautiful rainbow colours.
The usual light at the end of the tunnel.
He drifted slowly up but about half way,he was drawn back.
He encountered no one up the tunnel.
One min,he was there and the next,he was in recovery.
He was very ill during that time,with cancer and heart problems.
1995 he was diagnosed with those symtoms,he passed in 2006.
The question is....why was he sent back to suffer all the pain which he did for another 11 years?

"The question is....why was he sent back to suffer all the pain which he did for another 11 years?" It wasn't that he had been 'sent back' but it was a situation that the time of his death was not imminent.

Take a look at my recent posting and see if my ideas have any resonance.[/quot

Yes,I understand Mac.
So I assume a severe heart attack would give the body a false message that
death was imminent and send the spirit on it's way but without releasing the silver cord.
Am I correct?

Yes, that's kinda what I was suggesting but not so much sending the spirit on its way as the spirit becoming temporarily dissociated from the physical body (as in Astral travelling) and also confused by the sudden truma of the heart attack. (in Ken's case or any severe trauma in others....)

That's the mac down-to-earth scenario compared with the romantic "wanted to come back to be with you" scenario painted elsewhere. Did Ken have the time to consider the situation in depth, do you think?

Yer pays yer money and yer choice....

mac wrote:If anyone is "sent back", who would be doing the sending back?

How would anyone have that authority? Where would the authority come from....?

Joanie wrote:

Karin wrote:Hi Joanie, my friend.

The question is....why was he sent back to suffer all the pain which he did for another 11 years?

Was he sent back or did he want to come back and to be with you? He suffered pain for another 11 years, but he was for another 11 years by your side.

That's a sign of love, Joanie.




Karin

A lovely way of putting it,Karin.
Strangely enough,he knew 25 years before he passed approximately when his death would occur. He was a year out.

Karin wrote:

mac wrote:If anyone is "sent back", who would be doing the sending back?

How would anyone have that authority? Where would the authority come from....?

Hi Mac,

some people say, we choose in advance our life with every detail... if that's true so we are the authority to choose about our life or "death".

In other case the answer could be "God" if you are able to believe that there is a higher force to direct our affairs...

Just two thoughts, Mac.




Karin

Karin wrote:

Joanie wrote:

Karin wrote:Hi Joanie, my friend.

The question is....why was he sent back to suffer all the pain which he did for another 11 years?

Was he sent back or did he want to come back and to be with you? He suffered pain for another 11 years, but he was for another 11 years by your side.

That's a sign of love, Joanie.




Karin

A lovely way of putting it,Karin.
Strangely enough,he knew 25 years before he passed approximately when his death would occur. He was a year out.

This confirms my theory! Who wouldn't fight for life to stay by the side of someone he loves? As more as his higher being knew WHEN his death would occur...?

Don't ask why he had to suffer for such a long time, Joanie. He wanted to be by your side and that's the greatest declaration of love I can imagine.




Karin xxx

mac wrote:

Karin wrote:

mac wrote:If anyone is "sent back", who would be doing the sending back?

How would anyone have that authority? Where would the authority come from....?

Hi Mac,

some people say, we choose in advance our life with every detail... if that's true so we are the authority to choose about our life or "death".

In other case the answer could be "God" if you are able to believe that there is a higher force to direct our affairs...

Just two thoughts, Mac.




Karin

That's easy enough....

You may be right that some people believe what you suggest - doesn't necessarily make 'em right though.... People believe all kinds of thing. Of course we made the choice to be here, yes we had hopes and intentions for our lives, but no I wouldn't for one moment accept that every single detail has been unchangingly mapped out by ourselves or on our behalf.

Of NDEs we might be the one who makes that eventual choice to carry on into the next world or to return to the one we though we were leaving, a choice that's made in the light of the actual situation rather than any pre-ordained one.

As for God makin' the choice to send us back in such a situation, well perhaps that could be correct too. But my God is a much more impersonal entity and not concerned with the tiny sparks which are of itself, from itself, identically similar to itself but individuated in order to experience lives as single entities before eventually rejoining their source in the distant future.

So, yeah, some might also believe it's God who sends us back and as I said earlier, folk believe all kinds of stuff.

but no I wouldn't for one moment
accept that every single detail has been unchangingly mapped out by
ourselves or on our behalf.

but no I wouldn't for one moment
accept that every single detail has been unchangingly mapped out by
ourselves or on our behalf.

mac wrote:

Karin wrote:

Joanie wrote:

Karin wrote:Hi Joanie, my friend.

The question is....why was he sent back to suffer all the pain which he did for another 11 years?

Was he sent back or did he want to come back and to be with you? He suffered pain for another 11 years, but he was for another 11 years by your side.

That's a sign of love, Joanie.




Karin

A lovely way of putting it,Karin.
Strangely enough,he knew 25 years before he passed approximately when his death would occur. He was a year out.

This confirms my theory! Who wouldn't fight for life to stay by the side of someone he loves? As more as his higher being knew WHEN his death would occur...?

Don't ask why he had to suffer for such a long time, Joanie. He wanted to be by your side and that's the greatest declaration of love I can imagine.




Karin xxx

Or alternatively if he was correct in his fore-knowledge about how long his life was destined to last, he'd also know that he could not have it shortened - or he wouldn't have been right about it in the first place.... catch 22

Assumpta wrote:This is a very interesting subject. I myself have experience a NDE it was not long after we moved here to Spain. I tripped over one of our cats and hit my head on the cave wall. I can remember travelling down a bright tunnel/passageway where an even brighter light was at the end. I can remember not feeling at all afraid and quite relaxed. As I got nearer to the end I could see people standing there, the nearer I got the better I could see them when I realised there were my parents, aunts and uncles, I can remember all too clearly a feeling of complete peace come over me when my mothers voice said I was to go back, it wasn't my time.

Suddenly I heard a screaming noise, which I now know was me coming back into my body and experiencing the pain in my head. It was something I shall never forget and that was when I stopped being afraid of dying.

when my mothers voice said I was to go back, it wasn't my time.