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    Post  Violet on Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:32 pm

    Ectoplasm is a substance which is believed to emanate from a medium particularly when doing trance work (when a spirit temporarily 'steps in' or takes over a medium in order to use their physical body)it has a look of cheesecloth. In the past numerous claims and even photographs have backed this up though a lot has been said in recent years about it being fake or 'staged' and that in fact cheesecloth was used.

    Physical mediumship of this kind, with the ectoplasm isn't heard of much these days though trance mediumship is very much alive and kicking.

    What are your thoughts, is there such a thing as ectoplasm?



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    Post  1antique on Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:36 pm

    Maybe they realized that it was a pain to clean up after, so they quit???? :happy: :yeeess:

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    Post  Violet on Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:03 pm

    Yeah I get the ghostbusters song in my head everytime I see that word :scratch:


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    Post  Violet on Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:04 pm

    hmmm why's that appeared underlined :scratch:



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    Post  Carolyn on Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:02 am

    my grandmother used to produce ectoplasm out of the nose and mouth. She worked as a medium in the 1920's - 1940's. Its a sticky clear to white substance that doesnt resemble anything to me except a sign you need to go to an ENT doctor lol. :blush: She still produced it in her old age if you got her heated about some issue. Ive never seen mom do it but it has happened to me during readings. But I always catch it happening and wipe my mouth and my nose cause its sticky. :green:
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    Post  Violet on Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:49 pm

    I would have loved to have been about back then, I find all the things they did fascinating.



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    Post  Carolyn on Sat May 15, 2010 12:20 pm

    Violet wrote:What are your thoughts, is there such a thing as ectoplasm?

    To me, its not anything that even resembles cheesecloth. The charlatans who used the cheesecloth were trying to duplicate the appearance of what really happens - energy exchanges, facial changes, images appearing that are brought on by the mediums contact. Ectoplasm is clear, sticky, and appears around the mediums nostrils and mouth, sometimes spreading all over the face and hands - that latter is extremely rare. Its the "what is left over" in the physical after the vortex is opened, the medium uses their self as a channel, and it only happens if the person is not well grounded, or doesn't shield - its not a normal thing to see when channeling. I've had the sticky stuff appear on me when doing automatic writing, giving readings, and when I was much younger - when a person who had died suddenly used me as a tool to speak to someone. I'm told that my grandmother on Moms side (the NA who used to be a traveling fortune teller in the 1920's-40's) was known to have produced the sticky stuff regularly.

    Whenever I see a picture of the old mediums who used cheesecloth, I wonder why they would go to such lengths to prove they were real psychics. I think it was something undeniably visible to the seance goers.... and they needed physical proof to show why supernatural things would happen, such as tables moving, objects appearing or disappearing, deceased people speaking. The truth - a clear, sticky substance that forms to the skin - was just too simple to accept, during this "cheesecloth" time period (the early 19th century to early 20th century).

    Oops, I see I replied to this already. LOL. Oh well. Maybe I was still supposed to.

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    Post  mac on Sat May 15, 2010 8:50 pm

    Ectoplasm (it has been explained by spirit-side practitioners) is a substance created by using material from a medium mixed with material from the 'other-side'. It often has a slightly cloudy appearance with an 'earthy' smell.

    It's used for specific purposes and is not some accidental residue. It has no particular relevance to channelling and is used primarily to create physical phenomena and as a means of effecting physical changes. Grounding means nothing in this connection. Physical mediums are used for the source of material when creating ectoplasm.

    Examples of its use are in creating partial or full-form materialisations and for moving instruments such as speaking trumpets etc.- more accurately I should say 'were' as physical mediumship is pretty rare nowadays. Physical phenomena are rarely experienced by sitters as there are few physical circles.

    The Noah's Ark Society was the main organisation for those interested in physical mediumship - it was dissolved a number of years ago but some of its publications and articles still make interesting reading.
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    Post  Violet on Mon May 17, 2010 12:12 am

    Hi guys thanks for the info, Mac it is a shame physical mediumship is declining.



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    Post  Aura on Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:22 am

    sat in a physical demonstration where the red light was put on for a min or so and saw the medium in the cabinet curtains pulled back with ectoplasm coming out of the orifices, mouth , ears etc. was truly wonderful to see x

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    Post  zerdini on Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:04 pm

    I SEE ECTOPLASM FOR THE FIRST TIME

    By J.R.Crowley

    A year or two later I had the following experience in a seance attended by fifteen or twenty people, including my wife and some friends. After the visits of a number of loved ones to each sitter, Miss Firefly (It was again a Warren Smith seance) said she had someone special for us, and a gentleman materialized on our right, standing close enough to be clearly visible under the red light. He looked a distinguished and learned gentleman; and he was, for he introduced himself as Dr. William James. He said he was currently engaged in leading a team effort on his side which was conducting an experiment in a new way of orienting people who were victims of sudden death. The habitual way was to conduct them one by one to their closest relatives who had predeceased them. But Dr. James was leading a mission to do something different. They were trying this experiment on a group of about forty college students, who, accompanied by their two professors, had just recently died in a plane crash over the Andes Mountains while returning from a South American field trip. He said that the idea behind this experiment was that both at their college and on this long and interesting field trip these forty-two people had forged a real bond, which one might call a soul-bond.

    We are to see, said Dr. James, if keeping them all together works better to smooth the passage than the customary way...and actually I can report that so far it seems to be working indeed very well. Meanwhile, we were punctuating his talk with a number of questions and words of admiration and approval.

    Now, he said, would you like to meet one of the students who, as you call it, died in the plane crash, and has been a part of our experiment? Naturally, we said yes. and a young man materialized and stood next to him. We talked with him and were struck by his total normality...no evidence of trauma to heart or mind caused by his sudden death.

    As to our main topic, ectoplasm, this memorable incident is of course just one more instance of a successful materialization, made possible by a very gifted physical medium who can provide ample supplies of ectoplasm ...enough to produce not one but two fully formed persons at once. But the main event that day as it concerns ectoplasm is what immediately followed. The young man departed, and now a gentleman about Dr. James' age appeared to our left and a few steps closer to us than James. Dr. James introduced this new comer as his old friend and scientific colleague and fellow President of the Society for Psychical Research Dr. Charles Richet. Richet smiled and in a very modest and easy-going voice said, Well, I can guess what you want me to show you, eh? we said, with a laugh, in one voice, Ectoplasm Richet then said, Well, I'll try to do it, but I'll have to ask one of you to volunteer. While I hesitated, wondering whether I should risk it, a young man seated to my right rose and volunteered. Richet addressed him by name and asked him to stand facing the audience, while he took his position to the young man's left. Richet then proceeded very gently to tease this white, filmy cotton-candy sort of substance out of the area of the young man's solar plexus. Richet was very nonchalant and his volunteer was taking it rather well. Richet told a few jokes as the wispy beginnings became a veritable outpouring and the exuded ectoplasm now as thick and wide as a white bath towel very slowly settled to the floor.

    Now Richet looked at us in mock consternation and asked, What are we going to do with all this stuff? Tsk, tsk, let's see if there's any way to get it back. Now he teased upward and sure enough what had been unreeled gradually returned. When at last no ectoplasm showed outside the volunteer, Dr. Richet said he could return to his seat and added, After the seance is over I want you to lie down for a while—first have a glass or two of water-and then you will be perfectly all right.

    At this point of experience I had seen many examples of the effects of ectoplasm, as in trumpet séances, and I had seen quite a few materializations wherein those manifesting do so by transforming the ectoplasm by the exercise of their wills into a body they can move in, touch with, and speak through. Now, in the James-Richet seance, I had seen the stuff itself in what might be called the raw and unfabricated form-das ding an sich. There were several more learning experiences to come.

    A year later, my wife and I and several of our children attended an afternoon trumpet seance. After we came out, we sat in the bright sun. My youngest, a boy then of eleven, a very direct and outspoken young man, looked at me and with a disgusted grimace said, Some gook is coming out of your nose. My wife then noticed and said, It's not mucus; it's ectoplasm; and it's not coming out; it's going back!

    Which was indeed the case. It reminded me of the fact that on several occasions I had experienced for some time after a seance a feeling of depletion, or drain of energy. Once, noticing the way I felt, a veteran seance-goer said, Just go down and lie on the grass for a half hour, and you'll feel all right.

    This all reminded me of Kay, a friend of ours who was a sensitive. She told us she frequently found when weighing herself before and after a seance that she would lose up to five pounds. Later I learned that the Controls draw the ectoplasm not only and primarily from the medium but also from some, or indeed many of the sitters.

    At this point I wish to turn to the third and last of the authorities I will cite. This is a booklet of 35 pages entitled Psychic Facts: A series of fifteen lessons on the laws governing mental and physical mediumship by Peggy Barnes. This book was written specifically by a veteran medium and for mediums in training as well as sitters desiring to really understand what was going on.

    Here, about ectoplasm we read:


    This substance [ectoplasm] in its many forms is used as the basis of all physical manifestations. It forms the body and clothing of a materialized spirit; it forms into rods and masses, strong and fibrous, to be used in all feats of ectoplasmic telekinesis; through its power the trumpet is levitated and the ectoplasmic hands and rods are formed that produce independent and automatic writing; in fact, even the tiniest of spirit raps could not be produced without the aid of a physical body from which is drawn the necessary ectoplasm. spirits without the use of a material instrument are powerless to produce a sound or anything that comes into the range of our five physical senses, for they live in a higher range vibration of which we are unconscious.

    Further we read:


    Ectoplasm is an elusive substance which emanates from the body of a medium; it exudes from all the natural orifices the mucous membrane and the skin...it comes in many different forms colors and conditions...it may be gaseous, liquid, or fibrous; it may be soft as velvet with a moist. sticky surface, or it may be rough and solid; it can assume different colors or be of a soft white grey, or black; it can be invisible, although it has weight and gives sensation on contact and can make an imprint on plastic substances; in materialization, it sometimes takes on gorgeous colors from the flowers and gowns of those in the room, and the manifesting entities are able to bring out a beautiful pattern on the ectoplasmic gauze which forms their robes. It is extremely sensitive to light and deteriorates when subjected to its rays. The spirit teachers tell us that the chemicals in the light rays tear down the ectoplasm, so that they are at this time experimenting to find a chemical to add to the ectoplasm that will enable it to withstand the devastating power of light.
    This substance which is the basis of all manifestations of physical mediumship, is sometimes called ideoplasm, because it is sensitive to the thoughts and ideas of the sitters and the spirits. To be a physical medium the body must contain a superabundance of certain chemicals. One of our greatest scientists has made the statement that only one in 100,000 human bodies contains a sufficient amount of these chemicals to present a full-form materialization. Just what the necessary chemicals are we do not know. 15


    Peggy Barnes, the author of Psychic Facts and of twelve other small books was the close associate and cabinet attendance of one of the outstanding physical mediums of the twentieth century, Rev. Ethel Riley Post-Parrish. she founded the Temple of Truth in the late twenties and in 1932, with the name changed to Camp Silver Belle after her doorkeeper, set up in the Mountain Springs Hotel and its spacious grounds in Ephrata, PA. This organization, which has resumed the name Temple of Truth, continues under the leadership of her grandson, its Spiritual Director, Rev. Joseph Riley.

    A medium's spirit forces, one must understand, are those who train the medium, guide him or her and teach. An example of such is Sir Joseph Banks, Rev. Riley Post-Parrish's Teacher, to whom Peggy Barnes attributes many statements including the following:


    ...ectoplasm is an outer layer of protoplasm, an etherialized protoplasm, we might say. As we know, protoplasm is the basis of all plant and animal life. (It is safe to assume that physical mediumship requires either a superabundance of one of the chemicals contained in protoplasm or the addition of an unknown chemical built up by spirit power.)
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    We have reached a point in this exposition in which it may not be premature to draw some conclusions. We see that there is a difference between a Richet, a scientist not personally and inwardly in tune with the mediums he observed and tested, and Peggy Barnes. He remained at all times objective to them, as a modern medical specialist doing x-rays of patients sent to him by their internist perhaps remains objective to and uninvolved with the patient. His duty is simply to take the x-ray and perhaps read it. Raynor Johnson had the advantage of writing forty years later but also of being a mystic and personally in tune with the mediums' world. But in the case of Peggy Barnes' little book, we have the real thing (as the novelist Henry James, William's brother, would say.)1/ We have a medium writing for mediums and novices, with the economy of expression which achieves more in 35 little pages than Richet in his 626-page master work.

    Without realizing it, millions of people have experienced attempts to do physical mediumship. I refer to the ouija board. Most, many of them children or adolescents, take up the board in a spirit of play, a parlor game. But those have any degree of inclination toward mediumship, and whose ectoplasm can be drawn out, will have their hands overlain by a spirit hand gloved as it were, in ectoplasm. I have been told by a former Chairman of the Churches' Fellowship for Psychical and Spiritual Study (England) that his organization was urging the Government to ban the advertisement and sale of the ouija board, for they are widely used by all comers, who have no idea of what mediumship involves and who come to the sacred task without any preparation, without prayer or meditation. Doing so, they may and too often do attract immature, wayward, even mischievous spirit, who delight in this easy opportunity to play at controlling a medium. The Committee's attempt was wise and justified. I do not know if it succeeded.

    Now it is the right time to add a remark in definition of spirit and spirits. It has been for years the standard term used by Spiritualists and mediums generally to designate any discarnate entity, of any grade of moral level, whether it be Aunt Mabel coming for a chat or one's Master Teacher. In strict philosophical terms, to use spirit and spirits this way is incorrect. It is philosophically incorrect to call all people who have passed out of the physical body spirits. It is equally incorrect to call the plane of vibration they are now on the spiritual world. Spirit and spiritual should be reserved for a very high state of evolvement and its vibrational level. Associated with this plane are such words as Light, Mind, Wisdom, the Pattern worlds, Nirvana, Amenti, the Higher Heavens, etc. l8 Therefore, I have been incorrect in saying, above, that the casual ouija-board users often attract immature, wayward even mischievous spirits. And yet the general undiscriminating use of spirits prevails so totally that I have decided not to fight them but to join them. The alternatives do not seem to appeal—e.g., discarnates.

    To return to the item above about the misuse of the ouija board, I said that some who use the latter come to the sacred task of mediumship without prayerful, meditative preparation. I want to add that to be a medium is a sacred calling. It requires long and expert apprenticeship, and should be practiced only in a highly conditioned and sacred setting. In such a setting two good things happen: the medium is protected, and his power is enhanced. It is still a tragedy that not only the public but also the establishment (e.g., religious, academic, political) seems ignorant of mediumship. It is particularly tragic that the Religious establishment is slow to show interest in mediumship or willingness to learn about lt. Because of this ignorance and unwillingness mediums are left to go it practically alone.

    It is also tragic and ironic that the two best known of the few organizations intended specifically for the purpose of studying psychic phenomena scientifically, the Society for Psychical Research (London) and the American Society for Psychical Research (New York) appear not to have gotten beyond the level reached by Dr. Richet in 1923. This means that they have not accepted the first premise of mediumship, viz., that the medium is a medium, that is, an intermediary between spirits, the discarnates, and us in the physical body. They are deaf to the constant word from mediums that it is Spirit, not they, which does the work and which communicates and that it is Spirit which draws out the ectoplasm, using it for various phenomena in order to teach earthbound humanity that there is another world, that death is not final but only a passage, that their loved ones still live in that world beyond and love them still and succeed in communicating with them.

    In the case of Richet, one can perhaps understand that as a specialist in the physical body (his Nobel prize was for physiology), he was naturally biased toward focusing on the palpable, the visible, the photographable (i.e., ectoplasmic phenomena) and also toward refusing to accept the intangible, viz., that there is an intelligent being designing the effects with intention of convincing Richet and his colleagues that the discarnates and the spiritual world exist. Richet closed his Thirty Years of Psychical Research with the conclusion that he had no theory to explain the indubitable facts of ectoplasmic phenomena but that he thought the Spiritualist hypothesis was the least likely. With such a conclusion reached by such a great authority, it is no wonder that after Richet both organizations turned their attention away from mediums, even though Richet himself had written, The medium is the sine qua non of psychic research.

    There may be another factor that contributed to this attitude toward mediums. That other factor may be snobbery. Richet and most of the other scientists could not believe that anything spiritual could emanate from the illiterate Eusapia Paladino, the little orphan from the slums of Naples. She was not only of dubious background and totally uneducated, she was also unethical Many times Richet caught her cheating during the investigations of her physical mediumship, faking the phenomena, an act that many other mediums as well have been accused of. How do we explain this? How do we excuse? Perhaps the child in Eusapia could not be restrained from being mocking and having fun. Perhaps she got bored being endlessly tested, stripped, manacled, her hands held by old professors! Perhaps she deeply resented being treated like an object.

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    A little learning is a dangerous thing -
    Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring.

    In the case of studying mediums, drinking deep' means more than what Richet did. Getting to know you, getting to know all about you... All about you. I have been about the business of experiencing the psychic and the mystical and trying to understand it and to cultivate it for more than fifty years. I have read thousands of books, associated closely with parapsychologists, philosophers, and scores of mediums. I have seen no way that a non-believer, that is a person congenitally inhospitable to the possibility that the spiritual is real, will feel that anything has been proved to his satisfaction. There are others who are perfectly at home with the fact and the whole idea from the moment of their first experience. Woman's intuition? Jung's intuition type? Perhaps it has something to do with the mysterious thing called taste.
    We have been invited to the Castle. We should not mistake the vestibule for the outer hall, nor the inner hall for the reception room, nor the reception room for the banquet room! If the places to which we have penetrated have not brought us to drink of the cup of joy, we have not gone far enough. And once we have tasted the cup of joy, no other drink will satisfy, even though we lose for a time even the memory of its taste, we will some time return for more.


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    Thank you x

    Post  Aura on Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:09 pm

    Zerdini, thank you for your writings of wisdom and teaching and God Bless x
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    Post  Violet on Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:36 pm

    emsii wrote:sat in a physical demonstration where the red light was put on for a min or so and saw the medium in the cabinet curtains pulled back with ectoplasm coming out of the orifices, mouth , ears etc. was truly wonderful to see x



    It sounds fascinating Emsii



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    Post  SpiritVoices on Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:44 am

    Sounds like nasty messy stuff,how on earth does the medium deal with that sort of occurence coming from her body?

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    Post  Aura on Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:45 pm

    one medium i sat with a lot used to come round after feeling quite weak and the person next to her who was always with her at her seances had a sweet drink and a chocolate bar or biscuit waiting. the medium would come round quietly gasping for a drink and was offered the sweet drink which i think was squash which she'd drink and have the biscuit. she was then helped by this person who would support her arm sometimes with another person on the other hand and they'ld help walk her out of the seance room to a quiet room where she'd recover. she'ld later come out and join the rest of the sitters in the hall area who would be sitting chatting away excitedly having tea and cakes and biscuits. that has been my experience of what happens after the seance. the sweet drink and biscuit i think she was given to boost her energy when she came round. she was always very weak when she came round x
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    Post  SpiritVoices on Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:51 pm

    I'm not surprised at what the medium loses from her physical body.

    Still,what they produce is done in a good cause,to allow spirit to show themselves to those who wish to see them once more.

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    Post  Aura on Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:10 pm

    this particular medium has said to me its not a path she'd wish on someone as her physical mediumship has taken a toll on her health. her last seance was 2yrs ago. she is unwell but then she is in her 70s nowx

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    Post  zerdini on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:24 pm

    emsii wrote:this particular medium has said to me its not a path she'd wish on someone as her physical mediumship has taken a toll on her health. her last seance was 2yrs ago. she is unwell but then she is in her 70s nowx

    At her age she should consider giving up physical seances permanently.

    By the way, emsii, thank you for your kind remarks.
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    Post  Violet on Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:21 am

    I can imagine physical mediumship being extremely draining



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    Post  zerdini on Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:12 am

    No more or less than any other form of mediumship, Violet.
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    Post  Violet on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:21 pm

    That surprises me a bit, i've never found mediumship draining myself, except once when I could not shake off the emotions the spirit placed on me for quite sometime. I thought the physical mediumship might be more draining though. thanks Zerdini.



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    Post  Purplemoon on Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:18 am

    Have you Guys heard of Helen Duncan ? She was a psychic who used to contact spirit this way and was sent to jail for it , she was the last person to be imprisoned uner the british witchcraft act . It is very interesting .

    http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=helen%20duncan&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.helenduncan.org.uk%2F&ei=BJDQTpKaJcGUiQf0suXpDg&usg=AFQjCNHWXsVKXpPa3-fZkrIzn0mcLDGO5g
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    Post  SpiritVoices on Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:06 am

    Helen Duncan was very unfairly treated.
    A good time ago I was on another site where her grandson was also a member.
    He often referred to her and told us the story of the incident.
    Can't remember his user name now in case he is still around on other sites.
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    Post  Purplemoon on Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:14 am

    I totally agree Joanie that Helen was treated unfairly it would be be very upsetting for her family, does her Grandson have any psychic abilities at all ? How i came across Helen Duncan was i read a book by Doris Stokes another well known psychic , who had been to a sitting with Helen and she was totally amazed at what she seen ,and that got me googling her .
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    Post  Detlef on Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:01 am

    Ectoplasm is the manifestation of an unthoughtful interaction between two levels of vibrations. Unthoughtful from the side of the higher vibration.
    The interaction between to levels of vibration will always be damaging to the vessel of the lower vibration, no matter how careful the procedure is handled.
    Just as an example, Carla Rueckert the channel of the Ra material or the Law of One is a very sick lady. Not sure how her state of health was, before she started to channel Ra and other aspect of the Ra group. And Ra was always very concerned of her state of health, stopped when the body became weak. But no matter what, it will take it's toll.

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