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    Post  mac on Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:19 am

    someone wrote elsewhere: "I just
    don't understand why the actual process of mediumship itself has not
    adapted and evolved with the modern world of technology, to produce the
    same results and thoses sittings and circles did so many years ago, when
    the same intent to communicate is still there."


    I used to
    feel that way too a few years back. Why, with worldwide communication
    now part of everyday life for many of us, why then do our discarnate
    friends not take advantage of it to 'spread the word' more easily and
    more widely?

    It's been suggested that a lack of mediumistic power
    is a major factor and it's undoubtedly true that if mediumship were
    intended to continue to provide a conduit between the dimensions, the
    present dearth of mediums would be an immediate stumbling block.....

    But
    the very issue of mediumship for transdimensional communication - with
    all the associated problems it has - might be the spiritual equivalent
    of the thermionic valve. The valve was a major step along a path which
    eventually led to the easy worldwide communication we now take for
    granted. But the valve is hardly known about nowadays save for a small
    number of enthusiasts and maybe that's where mediumship is also heading?

    Unlike
    the valve, however, humankind didn't invent mediumship and hence it can
    do little other than to wait for something to replace it. It's possible
    we're already becoming aware of the beginnings with so-called
    channelling of so-called Ascended Masters and/or a general increase of
    individuals' personal awareness of discarnates? Time will tell if that
    is actually so....

    My own opinion is that the Modern Spiritualism
    movement - which helped give me a foundation for whatever small
    awareness and understanding I have - is in irreversible decline. Like
    the valve it is likely to retain into the future a few enthusiasts.

    As
    long as there are mediums in our world (and we don't know how long that
    may continue as we have no idea why or how their necessary attributes
    come about) then it's arguable that some discarnate friends will
    continue to communicate through them. But in time such a communication
    mode may be seen to have been the equivalent of an early picture book
    along the path which one day leads to the worldwide communication of the
    big picture.....

    That of life, physical death and life-hereafter.
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    Post  Violet on Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:42 am

    mac wrote:someone wrote elsewhere: "I just
    don't understand why the actual process of mediumship itself has not
    adapted and evolved with the modern world of technology, to produce the
    same results and thoses sittings and circles did so many years ago, when
    the same intent to communicate is still there."


    I used to
    feel that way too a few years back. Why, with worldwide communication
    now part of everyday life for many of us, why then do our discarnate
    friends not take advantage of it to 'spread the word' more easily and
    more widely?

    It's been suggested that a lack of mediumistic power
    is a major factor and it's undoubtedly true that if mediumship were
    intended to continue to provide a conduit between the dimensions, the
    present dearth of mediums would be an immediate stumbling block.....

    But
    the very issue of mediumship for transdimensional communication - with
    all the associated problems it has - might be the spiritual equivalent
    of the thermionic valve. The valve was a major step along a path which
    eventually led to the easy worldwide communication we now take for
    granted. But the valve is hardly known about nowadays save for a small
    number of enthusiasts and maybe that's where mediumship is also heading?

    Unlike
    the valve, however, humankind didn't invent mediumship and hence it can
    do little other than to wait for something to replace it. It's possible
    we're already becoming aware of the beginnings with so-called
    channelling of so-called Ascended Masters and/or a general increase of
    individuals' personal awareness of discarnates? Time will tell if that
    is actually so....

    My own opinion is that the Modern Spiritualism
    movement - which helped give me a foundation for whatever small
    awareness and understanding I have - is in irreversible decline. Like
    the valve it is likely to retain into the future a few enthusiasts.

    As
    long as there are mediums in our world (and we don't know how long that
    may continue as we have no idea why or how their necessary attributes
    come about) then it's arguable that some discarnate friends will
    continue to communicate through them. But in time such a communication
    mode may be seen to have been the equivalent of an early picture book
    along the path which one day leads to the worldwide communication of the
    big picture.....

    That of life, physical death and life-hereafter.



    Hi Mac

    Could it be simply that technology, all these gadgets, games and yes even the internet and tv are desensitising people, not (for the most part) the generations above age 25 but certainly, I feel kids are being rapidly desensitised, these are the mediums of the future, what hope is there when they aren't experiencing real life because they are holed up behind some gadget in their free time?

    I'm quite certain that spirits can use modern technology to communicate if only briefly or crudely, i've recieved such myself.

    The lack of interest in Spiritualism? I feel many only ever have a passing interest in it, someone passes away, they seek answers, once they find them or get proof of the afterlife they then feel they can move on and perhaps never visit a church again, or not until they lose someone else, with others perhaps they get a 'bad' message from a medium one day so then turn their backs on the whole thing.

    I've heard varying things about Spiritualism in recent years, from the bickering amongst those who run the churches, to the cliques within the church membership, to increasing numbers attending in some areas and growing interest particularly amongst the younger people.

    I don't think mediumship will fade away entirely, nor do I think Spiritualism will 'die out' I think things are changing.



    I find it shocking that in today's world with every means imaginable to communicate with very few really do communicate at all, and until humans re- learn this very basic skill, good mediums will be hard to find. If we can't communicate with each other what hope is there of communicating with spirits.



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    Re: whither Modern Spiritualism

    Post  zerdini on Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:55 am

    I recall people saying the same thing fifty-odd years ago!

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    Post  SpiritVoices on Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:09 am

    Violet wrote:
    mac wrote:someone wrote elsewhere: "I just
    don't understand why the actual process of mediumship itself has not
    adapted and evolved with the modern world of technology, to produce the
    same results and thoses sittings and circles did so many years ago, when
    the same intent to communicate is still there."


    I used to
    feel that way too a few years back. Why, with worldwide communication
    now part of everyday life for many of us, why then do our discarnate
    friends not take advantage of it to 'spread the word' more easily and
    more widely?

    It's been suggested that a lack of mediumistic power
    is a major factor and it's undoubtedly true that if mediumship were
    intended to continue to provide a conduit between the dimensions, the
    present dearth of mediums would be an immediate stumbling block.....

    But
    the very issue of mediumship for transdimensional communication - with
    all the associated problems it has - might be the spiritual equivalent
    of the thermionic valve. The valve was a major step along a path which
    eventually led to the easy worldwide communication we now take for
    granted. But the valve is hardly known about nowadays save for a small
    number of enthusiasts and maybe that's where mediumship is also heading?

    Unlike
    the valve, however, humankind didn't invent mediumship and hence it can
    do little other than to wait for something to replace it. It's possible
    we're already becoming aware of the beginnings with so-called
    channelling of so-called Ascended Masters and/or a general increase of
    individuals' personal awareness of discarnates? Time will tell if that
    is actually so....

    My own opinion is that the Modern Spiritualism
    movement - which helped give me a foundation for whatever small
    awareness and understanding I have - is in irreversible decline. Like
    the valve it is likely to retain into the future a few enthusiasts.

    As
    long as there are mediums in our world (and we don't know how long that
    may continue as we have no idea why or how their necessary attributes
    come about) then it's arguable that some discarnate friends will
    continue to communicate through them. But in time such a communication
    mode may be seen to have been the equivalent of an early picture book
    along the path which one day leads to the worldwide communication of the
    big picture.....

    That of life, physical death and life-hereafter.



    Hi Mac

    Could it be simply that technology, all these gadgets, games and yes even the internet and tv are desensitising people, not (for the most part) the generations above age 25 but certainly, I feel kids are being rapidly desensitised, these are the mediums of the future, what hope is there when they aren't experiencing real life because they are holed up behind some gadget in their free time?

    I'm quite certain that spirits can use modern technology to communicate if only briefly or crudely, i've recieved such myself.

    The lack of interest in Spiritualism? I feel many only ever have a passing interest in it, someone passes away, they seek answers, once they find them or get proof of the afterlife they then feel they can move on and perhaps never visit a church again, or not until they lose someone else, with others perhaps they get a 'bad' message from a medium one day so then turn their backs on the whole thing.

    I've heard varying things about Spiritualism in recent years, from the bickering amongst those who run the churches, to the cliques within the church membership, to increasing numbers attending in some areas and growing interest particularly amongst the younger people.

    I don't think mediumship will fade away entirely, nor do I think Spiritualism will 'die out' I think things are changing.



    I find it shocking that in today's world with every means imaginable to communicate with very few really do communicate at all, and until humans re- learn this very basic skill, good mediums will be hard to find. If we can't communicate with each other what hope is there of communicating with spirits.



    Very true,Violet. But my own opinion is that the young are taking more interest in spiritualism.

    I find when I have visited the church on the few occasions when I have been able to,I was pleasantly surprised to see more young people showing themselves than in past times.

    And not for the curiosity of it but for genuine reasons to contact their relatives.

    What we need is an influx of maybe more younger mediums coming into the fold of spiritualism. To be trained and brought into the ways of contacting the spirit world.

    Visiting my spiritualist church recently I was pleased to see just many young people were there,namely teenagers between the ages of even 16 years and into the twenties.



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    Post  mac on Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:16 am

    "I find when I have visited the church on the few occasions when I have
    been able to,I was pleasantly surprised to see more young people showing
    themselves than in past times.

    And not for the curiosity of it but for genuine reasons to contact their relatives."

    I'm heartened to hear this.

    Maybe online indicators are giving the wrong impression. I do hope so....
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    Post  SpiritVoices on Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:28 am

    mac wrote:"I find when I have visited the church on the few occasions when I have
    been able to,I was pleasantly surprised to see more young people showing
    themselves than in past times.

    And not for the curiosity of it but for genuine reasons to contact their relatives."

    I'm heartened to hear this.

    Maybe online indicators are giving the wrong impression. I do hope so....



    What I was more surprised to see was the serious way in which they accepted spiritualism.

    In fact,if I remember rightly,one of the young folks showed hints of a budding medium. i'e. Describing how they 'thought' they had seen a mother or father figure.

    A far cry from the giggles and laughter of some teenagers many years ago. They were evicted from the church.

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    Post  mac on Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:55 am

    Joanie wrote:
    mac wrote:"I find when I have visited the church on the few occasions when I have
    been able to,I was pleasantly surprised to see more young people showing
    themselves than in past times.

    And not for the curiosity of it but for genuine reasons to contact their relatives."

    I'm heartened to hear this.

    Maybe online indicators are giving the wrong impression. I do hope so....



    What I was more surprised to see was the serious way in which they accepted spiritualism.

    In fact,if I remember rightly,one of the young folks showed hints of a budding medium. i'e. Describing how they 'thought' they had seen a mother or father figure.

    A far cry from the giggles and laughter of some teenagers many years ago. They were evicted from the church.
    That's really good to hear. We can only hope these seekers turn into finders, stay with what they've found and maybe some will become the mediums of the future.

    I know I'm pessimistic about the future of the Spiritualist movement and in the years ahead of me I'd love to be able to look back and see that my pessimism was misplaced.
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    Post  SpiritVoices on Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:02 am

    Now wouldn't it be marvellous if the 'powers to be' could think of some kind of way for 'recruiting'?

    Wrong word perhaps but it fits the idea of bringing newer and younger members into spirituialism.

    I would suggest,of course,only over perhaps 18 years of age.

    A thought for the future?
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    Post  Violet on Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:48 pm

    A far cry from the giggles and laughter of some teenagers many years ago. They were evicted from the church.



    I witnessed this in churches years ago too, very rude not hewrd of it lately though.



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    Post  Violet on Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:51 pm

    and in the years ahead of me I'd love to be able to look back and see that my pessimism was misplaced.
    Hopefully you'll do exactly that Mac, as for recruiting youngsters Joanie many used to be brought up with Spiritualism and children used to be welcome, weren't the Lyceums (before my time) for the children, I wonder why they got rid of this...



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    Post  mac on Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:34 pm

    Violet wrote:
    and in the years ahead of me I'd love to be able to look back and see that my pessimism was misplaced.
    Hopefully you'll do exactly that Mac, as for recruiting youngsters Joanie many used to be brought up with Spiritualism and children used to be welcome, weren't the Lyceums (before my time) for the children, I wonder why they got rid of this...

    outmoded, old-fashioned, unappealing.... just a few potential reasons that kids might not want to go to 'em???
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    Post  Violet on Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:25 am

    Perhaps they should jazz em up a bit then



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    Post  mac on Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:12 am

    One bit of good news - Psychic News to return soon



    http://spiritofpn.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/psychic-news-%e2%80%93-there-is-no-death/
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    Post  Violet on Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:27 pm

    Hi Mac, yes that is good news :)



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    Post  Left Behind on Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:04 pm

    I believe that Spiritualism has a great deal of potential for growth in the decades to come. For one thing, many younger people have become dissatisfied with both the materialistic world around them, and with the lack of answers the mainstream religious bodies offer them.

    Also, in the US at least, the number of people in the 55 - 65 age bracket is huge! These people are now witnessing the death of many of their contemporaries, and becoming increasingly curious and uneasy about what lies beyond. Again, they aren't going to find the answers in secular humanism, and many of them won't be satisfied with the answers they receive from the churches.

    Yes, the electronic communications revolution has distracted many people (not just the young) from time that, in the past, might have been utilized for developing mediumship ability. But then, it's also ushered in what appears to a new era of spirit contact, via Electric Voice Phenomena, and other types of Instrumental Transcommunication.

    On the whole, things aren't looking all-bad.

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    Post  mac on Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:58 pm

    "But then, it's also ushered in what appears to a new era of spirit
    contact, via Electric Voice Phenomena, and other types of Instrumental
    Transcommunication."

    I'm gonna hold judgment on these matters, Jim.

    Although I've read plenty about EVP- and even heard snippets online - they have a very long way to go before they'd become evidential and useful. White Feather spoke on such communication in a Q & A session February this year. There's a recording of that session on Robert Goodwin's websitehttp://www.whitefeather.org.uk

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    Post  Left Behind on Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:54 pm

    mac wrote:"But then, it's also ushered in what appears to a new era of spirit
    contact, via Electric Voice Phenomena, and other types of Instrumental
    Transcommunication."

    I'm gonna hold judgment on these matters, Jim.

    Although I've read plenty about EVP- and even heard snippets online - they have a very long way to go before they'd become evidential and useful. White Feather spoke on such communication in a Q & A session February this year. There's a recording of that session on Robert Goodwin's websitehttp://www.whitefeather.org.uk

    'The Big Question' - It's the last tab at the bottom of the left hand side of the Home page.

    I believe that EVP / ITC are still in their early phases, Mac: table rapping, if you will.

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    Post  mac on Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:10 pm

    Left Behind wrote:
    mac wrote:"But then, it's also ushered in what appears to a new era of spirit
    contact, via Electric Voice Phenomena, and other types of Instrumental
    Transcommunication."

    I'm gonna hold judgment on these matters, Jim.

    Although I've read plenty about EVP- and even heard snippets online - they have a very long way to go before they'd become evidential and useful. White Feather spoke on such communication in a Q & A session February this year. There's a recording of that session on Robert Goodwin's websitehttp://www.whitefeather.org.uk

    'The Big Question' - It's the last tab at the bottom of the left hand side of the Home page.

    I believe that EVP / ITC are still in their early phases, Mac: table rapping, if you will.

    Jim

    Yes I agree with that and if there's been any progress it seems to be minimal even though they've both been around for quite a few years.

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    Post  Left Behind on Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:45 am

    Anabela Cardoso's book hints that progress is being made in the astral dimension.

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    Post  mac on Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:47 am

    Left Behind wrote:Anabela Cardoso's book hints that progress is being made in the astral dimension.

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    I hope so. I fancy there could be a long way to go, though....
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    Post  SpiritVoices on Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:45 pm

    Left Behind wrote:Anabela Cardoso's book hints that progress is being made in the astral dimension.

    Jim



    What kind of change,Jim?

    Was there any hint of what direction this change would be?

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