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    What would convince us a medium was NOT genuine?

    Post  Violet on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:28 pm

    As an extra twist to discussions here i've reversed Joanie's question, (hope you don't mind Joanie ,) but you do see some accepting the loosest pieces of 'evidence' no matter how poor (not that i'm knocking those people, I think most of us have hoped for the smallest of signs and even possibly made things a medium has told us fit our situation in order to obtain some measure of comfort.)
    Mediums cannot be right all the time, I know and admit that i'm not, but some are out and out fakes but what would convince you a medium was not genuine?



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    Post  SpiritVoices on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:53 pm

    Giving a message but with the hint of a question?
    Too vague.
    Unsure of themselves.
    Sometimes a feeling that a medium is hesitant?
    All I can think of,Violet
    (of course,I don't mind,Violet.)

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    Post  PPrncpl7 on Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:10 pm

    Hello Violet / Joannie
    There are fakes everywher unfortunately!!!
    For a start I am wary if they charge extortionate amounts.
    Joannie is right some are asking questions when they give forth--very subtle but not the way it should be.
    The phrases 'please' and 'love' also make me suspicious--"Can you take a Frank my love?" or "Can you take a Frank please". Sorry the words do not convey what I mean there is a tone of voice that goes with it.
    Also to be fair some mediums are better than others and I am difficult to convince!
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    Post  SpiritVoices on Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:36 am

    I have had a few like that,Peter. I tend to look for the gold among the silver.
    Sometimes there is a snippet comes out now and again,which may just mean something!

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    Post  mac on Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:01 am

    As evidential mediums (I'm assuming that's what you're discussing?) can only begin to be effective if there are relevant discarnates wanting to contact an enquirer, it may be that someone dismissed as ineffectual or "not genuine" may have success with another enquirer....

    Hesitancy or apparent uncertainty may be evident when the medium can not establish a clear link or where she/he is not confident about who is communicating. Isn't that also a likely outcome when there simply isn't anyone relevant to the enquirer in attendance, waiting to make contact, or where the discarnate would-be communicator simply can't get their thoughts and words together? It doesn't automatically suggest that the medium isn't genuine, only that they're not making a link. The failure to link may not be totally down to the medium - how well do people communicate in this world without the attendant complications of doing it from another and through a third party?

    I am, of course, playing devil's advocate here and what should happen is that a medium with integrity should admit they can not establish a link with a spirit-communicator who they feel is relevant to their enquirer. They should waive part or all of the fee where the sitter has not received what they came seeking.

    But for me the level of the charge is as irrelevant as the way the medium makes the connection - yer pays yer money and yer takes the chance. BUT where the charge is high, and the outcome is unsatisfactory, enquirers rarely have the confidence to say "You haven't provided what I came for and I'm not paying for something not delivered."

    On top of all that, however, is that psychic/auric reading may be passed off as mediumship and only experienced sitters, or those with a good understanding of what evidential mediumship actually is, will readily be able to differentiate.

    So an apparently good sitting may only emerge as something rather less evidential when it's scrutinised later, perhaps on a forum.
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    Post  SpiritVoices on Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:02 am

    You're talking a lot of sense,Mac.
    So many reasons why messages may not be correct. I have been given stuff that I could not take then found out it was for someone entirely different but someone I knew.
    I do feel for mediums very much,a genuine medium will try but depends on who comes through and what messages they want to give.
    Sometimes the medium has no choice but to give what she receives,even though it can be disappointing to the sitter.
    I once received some info from a lady who was giving info about wearing a 'funny hat' and 'printing machines'.
    I was trying to give it to another member but Wali (you know Wali.)
    took it,right down to the last detail.
    I'm no medium as you know.but for some reason,that info came through me that evening,
    Heaven's knows why?
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    Post  Violet on Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:14 pm

    I am, of course, playing devil's advocate here and what should happen is that a medium with integrity should admit they can not establish a link with a spirit-communicator who they feel is relevant to their enquirer. They should waive part or all of the fee where the sitter has not received what they came seeking.



    Totally agree Mac, with everything you say, I highlkighted the section above because that is exactly what a genuine medium would do, some tuirn it round and blame the client saying they're blocking it, what does everyone think of that?
    Can the client 'block' a reading?



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    Post  SpiritVoices on Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:52 am

    Now I have heard of this before.
    Some oneI know used to read Auras and was reading a member and couldn't pick up anything from this particular person.
    She asked him if he was 'blocking' her reading.
    He never answered.
    What I cannot understand is why he asked for a reading in the first place.

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    Post  mac on Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:15 am

    Joanie wrote:Now I have heard of this before.
    Some oneI know used to read Auras and was reading a member and couldn't pick up anything from this particular person.
    She asked him if he was 'blocking' her reading.
    He never answered.
    What I cannot understand is why he asked for a reading in the first place.

    I don't know if it's easy to prevent one's aura being accessed by a psychic but statistically I'd say it's likely that some individuals can, deliberately or inadvertently. I feel I could do it myself if I focussed but my regular resistance to the use of psychism might naturally put me in the category of a 'blocker'.

    I'm not deliberately hostile but those who know what I've written will surely see a strong dislike of psychic reading and that might effectively block most psychics from reading me to any degree. You'd have to ask a psychic about that....

    Maybe the guy you mention, Joanie, is a similar character and simply wanted mediumship and was not going to co-operate with someone psychic-probing him?
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    Post  SpiritVoices on Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:53 pm

    mac wrote:
    Joanie wrote:Now I have heard of this before.
    Some oneI know used to read Auras and was reading a member and couldn't pick up anything from this particular person.
    She asked him if he was 'blocking' her reading.
    He never answered.
    What I cannot understand is why he asked for a reading in the first place.

    I don't know if it's easy to prevent one's aura being accessed by a psychic but statistically I'd say it's likely that some individuals can, deliberately or inadvertently. I feel I could do it myself if I focussed but my regular resistance to the use of psychism might naturally put me in the category of a 'blocker'.

    I'm not deliberately hostile but those who know what I've written will surely see a strong dislike of psychic reading and that might effectively block most psychics from reading me to any degree. You'd have to ask a psychic about that....

    Maybe the guy you mention, Joanie, is a similar character and simply wanted mediumship and was not going to co-operate with someone psychic-probing him?

    Mac.I wouldn't like my psychic read either! I have too many faults and my thoughts are unreadable at times.
    But I was told that psychic can be blocked,by diverting the mind to other subjects.
    In other words,think of something else or keep the mind blocked.
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    Post  Violet on Thu May 05, 2011 11:40 pm

    but my regular resistance to the use of psychism might naturally put me in the category of a 'blocker'.

    I think it could Mac, i've heard the aura retracts in certain instances like when you are in a position of fear or mistrust.



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    Re: What would convince us a medium was NOT genuine?

    Post  Lynn on Fri May 06, 2011 6:44 pm

    Hello


    First and formost is the keep asking for MORE cash. That should send alarm bells off. Too it they tell one something like ye have an attachement or worse with ye and they can help ( most times for a price ).

    Where they keep going fishing for information never giving one a clear reply.

    If it is a face to face reading watch for a fake looking away form eye contact....looking for hand motions ye make or other body movements. Reading not the Spirit they are seeking but ye.

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    Post  Violet on Fri May 06, 2011 9:42 pm

    Too it they tell one something like ye have an attachement or worse with ye and they can help ( most times for a price ).


    This is really appalling i've heard of this happening, it really is preying on the vulnerable, then he would ask for fifty pounds to remove it but then say it might take more than one session. Disgusting!



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