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    Demonstrations of mediumship

    Post  Violet on Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:10 am

    Be this in a church or the village hall, when a medium has a large audience it is likely they will have a large number of spirits trying their best to get through, it used to make me chuckle to think of hordes of spirits bickering and elbowing to get to the front of the queue much like I see at a jumble sale

    So how do you think it works?

    Do you think they form an orderly queue?
    Do the people who get a message that night have the greatest need at that time for a message if so who decides this?
    Is it down to us, is it whoever sends their thoughts up first that they'd like a message at the meeting who gets it (a first come first served basis.)

    Or is it down to the medium in some way, or just a case of who shouts the loudest from spirit?

    What are your thoughts?



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    Re: Demonstrations of mediumship

    Post  mac on Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:33 am

    Violet wrote:Be this in a church or the village hall, when a medium has a large audience it is likely they will have a large number of spirits trying their best to get through, it used to make me chuckle to think of hordes of spirits bickering and elbowing to get to the front of the queue much like I see at a jumble sale

    So how do you think it works?

    Do you think they form an orderly queue?
    Do the people who get a message that night have the greatest need at that time for a message if so who decides this?
    Is it down to us, is it whoever sends their thoughts up first that they'd like a message at the meeting who gets it (a first come first served basis.)

    Or is it down to the medium in some way, or just a case of who shouts the loudest from spirit?

    What are your thoughts?

    I see it as you describe things in the first few sentences, Violet.

    Many clamouring to make their presence known and not all of 'em related in any way to the sitters on the other side of the veil. As they were here, they may still be there..... mouthy and obstreperous, pushy and unpleasant, always out to say their piece!

    Not all of 'em, of course but an evidential medium, in conjunction with her/his helpers, may need to sort the wheat from the chaff, to help the quiet ones who really want to communicate their presence to loved ones in the audience.

    Perhaps the accomplished mediums of yesteryear and their spirit-side teams had the experience and ability to do the above effectively? Nowadays I have deep doubts that there are many evidential medium teams working in such ways.

    And that I find sad because there is nothing to replace them.
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    Re: Demonstrations of mediumship

    Post  Violet on Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:41 am

    As they were here, they may still be there..... mouthy and obstreperous, pushy and unpleasant, always out to say their piece!

    I heartily agree with this we don't get haloes when we cross over.

    Not all of 'em, of course but an evidential medium, in conjunction with her/his helpers, may need to sort the wheat from the chaff, to help the quiet ones who really want to communicate their presence to loved ones in the audience.


    This would make sense

    I've never worked for more than one sitter at a time so I find it hard to imagine how it would work, I get confused at home if we have more than two (real life) visitors at a time all eagerly chatting, it must be extremely difficult when you have a hundred or more voices in your ears.



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    Re: Demonstrations of mediumship

    Post  mac on Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:09 am

    Violet wrote:
    As they were here, they may still be there..... mouthy and obstreperous, pushy and unpleasant, always out to say their piece!

    I heartily agree with this we don't get haloes when we cross over.

    Not all of 'em, of course but an evidential medium, in conjunction with her/his helpers, may need to sort the wheat from the chaff, to help the quiet ones who really want to communicate their presence to loved ones in the audience.


    This would make sense

    I've never worked for more than one sitter at a time so I find it hard to imagine how it would work, I get confused at home if we have more than two (real life) visitors at a time all eagerly chatting, it must be extremely difficult when you have a hundred or more voices in your ears.

    Yes without adequate spirit-side support with crowd control it must feel like a scrum...
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    Re: Demonstrations of mediumship

    Post  SpiritVoices on Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:31 am

    Just to add my two pennorth............
    How on earth does the poor old medium cope with the constant chattering in their mind or ear of spirit all blabbing together like 'I want my sister or my brother or my mum or my dad and on and on and on,to know I'm fine!.
    Would drive me mad..............
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    Re: Demonstrations of mediumship

    Post  zerdini on Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:14 pm

    Joanie wrote:Just to add my two pennorth............
    How on earth does the poor old medium cope with the constant chattering in their mind or ear of spirit all blabbing together like 'I want my sister or my brother or my mum or my dad and on and on and on,to know I'm fine!.
    Would drive me mad..............
    Joanie
    ..........just wait till you get over there!

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    Re: Demonstrations of mediumship

    Post  zerdini on Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:20 pm

    Royal Albert Hall, London, March 31st, 1948


    Demonstration by Helen Hughes



    At the Great Centenary Celebration in the Royal Albert Hail the first medium to demonstrate the truth of survival and communication with spirits was Mrs. Helen Hughes, the celebrated North Country medium.


    Mrs.Hughes began her demonstration by asking for someone named Mrs Wilcox. After a lady had responded, she described to her a boy named Tony. This was accepted.
    The name Hobbs was then given as the surname, with the request that birthday greetings should be conveyed to his family.

    To another person in the hall Mrs Hughes described an old gentleman, and with him Jimmy Brown. “I’ve got to tell you,’said the medium, “that he has found out all about George who, when in the body,
    was a bit of a mystery. He was at your home on Sunday and heard all the good things you were saying about him, (Yes) but he says he was not as good as all that. He wouldn’t change places with any of you. I get the name Alma.’’ (Thatis my name). ‘‘Do you know Doris?’’ (My sister) ‘‘Have you been laying down the law to Arnold?” (Yes) “He says you had a dickens of a time, but don’t be so dogmatic; Arnold will come to it eventually. Have you been trying to convince him?”(Yes, rather) ‘‘Arnold will come to an understanding shortly, take your time.’’

    “I have a boy here named Ian Moore,” said the medium to a lady in another part of the hall. (Accepted). “He has never communicated before has he?” (No) “Do you know Digby, a young boy, he’s with David?” (Yes). “Reginald has come with Mary Rankin,” said Mrs. Hughes pointing to a lady in the hall. “This young man was shot through the hip.” This was not immediately accepted. Then Mrs. Hughes said, “Have you lived in India?” (Yes.) “Mary Rankin knows you, she is talking about India.” (I can place her.) “You have always studied the occult.” (Yes.)
    “Mary Rankin met you in India. Did you stay in Calcutta?” (Yes.) ‘‘Well she is here with you now in London.”

    To another recipient Mrs. Hughes gave the name, Duke, which was recognized. “Michael is
    with him” (My son) “They are both R.A.F. boys and have come together.’’ (Yes.) “There is a boy with Michael named John, he knows you, he crashed over Essen, Germany; he is now saluting and saving, ‘All is well with the boys you loved’.”

    “I would like to coma to the gentleman with his hands over his face,” Helen said as he pointed to
    one of the galleries.
    “I have to give you the name Tony, a boy killed in the American Army.” (Accepted) ‘‘He is so glad to see you here, Mary is here too, she is of the Catholic faith.’’ (Yes, that’s right.) “She tells me she will help you till you meet again.”

    Further messages were given and accepted.


    Demonstration by Estelle Roberts


    Mrs Estelle Roberts commenced her demonstration by trying to contact a person in the very top gallery of the Royal Albert Hall, but after giving some evidence of the return of a spirit,it became clear that the difficulties of speaking to the recipient, at so great a distance made it impossible to continue further.

    Turning to a lady in one of the galleries on the immediate right hand of the stage, she gave the name of Taylor. Mrs. Roberts made a very fruitful contact, and was able to convey a considerable amount of acceptable evidence of spirit return.

    “Do you know George?” (Yes) ‘‘William?” (Mother’s brother.) “Jimmy?” (Yes.) “He speaks of Emily.” (Yes, my mother-in-law.)
    “Elizabeth?” (Yes.) “Ann” (Yes.) “Fred”. (Yes.) “Jane-Jenny-cousin of mother? ‘ (Yes) “Arthur is with them. “(Arthur who?) – “Just a, moment, I will ask him for his surname - Arthur Mitchell.’’ (Yes.) ‘‘He reminds you of an anniversary just now.’’ (Yes, my wedding.) ‘‘I now get Flora Annie Williams, you called her Aunt Flossie when a young girl.’’ (Correct)

    ‘‘I now receive the name of a gentleman Geoffrey Scott;you used to call him Scottie; he had auburn hair and a freckled face; you have a photo of him with Teddy, they are leaning over their bicycles.’’

    Mrs. Roberts then gave several anniversary dates. “There is one on April 12th,” she said. (Yes my sister).
    “She hasn’t forgotten. The 14th June?” (Mother’s birthday) “16th October?” (Anniversary of my father’s passing). “2nd December? ‘‘ (Father’s birthday.) “All convey their love to you.”

    “I don’t know you, do I?” (No, not at all.)

    “I want someone named Mrs Andrew,” said Mrs Roberts facing the body of the hall. A lady responded.

    “Your husband is here, and is calling Mary.” (Yes) ‘‘He on the platform and I have never seen anyone so excited before. Has he recently,passed over, about four or five months ago?” (Yes, only six weeks)

    “He has met John - known as Jack.” (Yes.) “He says that the pain that he endured in the physical body has all gone, he can now walk about everywhere. ‘Give my love to the boys’, he calls. He will be with you on the anniversary in June.” (Yes.)
    “As soon as it is possible he will help to adjust your physical condition especially your arms, legs, and feet.” (That’s true)

    “I do not know you, do I?” (No.)

    Mrs Roberts gave several more messages which were accepted.


    POSTSCRIPT

    In a dynamic speech, speaking of the work of those celebrated mediums, Mrs Estelle Roberts and Mrs. Helen Hughes, Hannen Swaffer said that he had spoken with them in town after town, and had challenged the representatives of the press to interview the recipients of the messages, follow them to their homes, and try to disproveone message.

    The challenge had never been accepted.


    But suppose we had had fifty Estelle Roberts’ and fifty Helen Hughes’, we could have proved our case triumphantly over the whole of Britain.


    Note by Zerdini: This is the type of demonstration which convinced me of the truth of Spiritualism when I began my investigation fifty years ago. I have been privileged to witness and sit with some of the finest mediums, mental and physical during the twentieth and twenty-first centuries.
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    Re: Demonstrations of mediumship

    Post  SpiritVoices on Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:24 pm

    zerdini wrote:
    Joanie wrote:Just to add my two pennorth............
    How on earth does the poor old medium cope with the constant chattering in their mind or ear of spirit all blabbing together like 'I want my sister or my brother or my mum or my dad and on and on and on,to know I'm fine!.
    Would drive me mad..............
    Joanie
    ..........just wait till you get over there!

    Why?

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    Re: Demonstrations of mediumship

    Post  zerdini on Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:28 pm

    Joanie wrote:
    zerdini wrote:
    Joanie wrote:Just to add my two pennorth............
    How on earth does the poor old medium cope with the constant chattering in their mind or ear of spirit all blabbing together like 'I want my sister or my brother or my mum or my dad and on and on and on,to know I'm fine!.
    Would drive me mad..............
    Joanie
    ..........just wait till you get over there!

    Why?
    ........because then you will find out for yourself.
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    Re: Demonstrations of mediumship

    Post  SpiritVoices on Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:32 pm

    Just had to bring this old topic up!     What a laugh we had at the amount of spirits trying to come through.   

    Long time since I attended the Spiritualist church and heard this kind of mediumship.

    Fast,rapid and so hard to take everything in.

    Now I always used to take a small notebook with me but this one night I attended,just didn't have the time to jot every bit of information down.
    I ended up taking initials and a couple of words of the message to remind what it was about.

    Why haven't we got mediums of that calibre now?

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