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    Post  jimrich on Sun May 21, 2017 2:31 am

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    Hello any Mediums out there:
    How and why do incarnate beings/persons retain their ego or individuality over in the Afterlife and do not dissolve back into Totality or Indivisible Wholeness or whatever the ineffable Absolute is called?   My late wife and a few others, over in the Afterlife, are exactly the same person as they were on Earth except they're much happier and wiser over there. 
    I do not want them to "dissolve" - just curious.
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    Re: Individuality

    Post  Blueanchor on Thu May 25, 2017 9:47 pm

    jimrich wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    jimrich wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:My response at no. 2 was from personal experience, perhaps you missed it?
    Oh you mean this post: 
    Not all beings do maintain their individual characteristics after death. There are many different states (or planes) of existence. The emotional/personality aspect of being is closest to physical being.
    In life, people who have no other psychic experiences, seem to still pick up on the feelings and thoughts of those that they are emotionally close to. It seems to me that, the continuation of the personality/ego after death is related to the emotional pull between people. In this way, you mention that you don't want them to dissolve, and I don't believe they will until both you and they choose to take that journey.
    LOL, no I didn't "miss" it but it reads like a lecture or speech and not like a sharing of your own Medium-ship experiences or even knowledge.  I recommend you use more 'I' statements than: "It seems to me" and "I don't believe" comments, which do not look like your own experiences at all.  Sharing is about saying what is true FOR YOU and not offering opinions or a lecture.  Perhaps you could offer your own, actual, real and personal experiences and knowledge, as a Medium, on this topic.
    Those words are used because I find the evidential mediumship of spiritualism uncomfortable to listen to.
    I looked up: evidential mediumship and it fits what I've experienced with several Mediums although, with Irene, they don't have to "convince" me that she is really there at the Readings.  Why is it uncomfortable to listen to?

    However, over the years I have listened to evidential mediums say many times that giving evidence of an afterlife helps to comfort people that have lost loved ones. Ive also listened to people seking confirmation from evidential mediums that their loved ones are living in an afterlife and they are going to be reunited. So i try to tread carefully in respect of thhe needs and beliefs of others, including you.
    I accept and respect that but I still don't understand why "evidence" is needed other than where a client CANNOT accept that their loved one (or whoever) is still alive and present at the Reading.
    You have now found a thread in which I have shared my experiences of discarnated people, so I wont bother repeating that.
    Sorry but I don't recall where that thread is.  Please link me to it again.......

    What I will say, is that my experience of spirit beyond the mental/emotional afterlife that you spoke of, shows that we are capeable of existance across different states of conciousness and we exist in those multiple states.
    While I do not deeply study this stuff, I can see that you may be referring to the spirit(s) of plants or other kinds of inanimate beings/objects throughout the universe that are generally thought to not have a "spirit", consciousness or being (words can be maddening!).  I accept the existence of these "different" states even if I have no direct experience with them other than through Irene and that's not a close involvement by me with or inside of the Afterlife as I currently know or understand it.

    As a not interested in evidence medium,
    What does "not interested" mean? 

    I communicate with spirit energy that is neither dissolved or living as their physical or mental/emotional self. The only spirits that I have ever been in touch with in the mental state, are those that still have an emotional connection in physical form.
    This is way over my head now and I can't even think of a meaningful question.  Would this be the spirit energy of, say, a: rock, water, air, light, something invisible, pure imagination, etc.?

    Likewise, the only beings that evidential mediums find the accepted evidence from, are discarnates that still have an emotional bond in the physical plane. Based on that experience, I believe that spirits in the mental emotional state after death are in that state because they need to be for them or for a loved one still in physical form.
    Yes, I can see that Irene needs to contact me as a person or in a form that I can recognize as being her, Irene, even if she, as spirit now, no longer holds any of Irene's personal or physical characteristics over there.  It must be weird to be spirit and still have to express as a "person" to us Incarnates, in this plane, for a connection or communication between the two (or more) planes.  I am so limited in my knowledge of spirit, planes, the afterlife and other esoteric stuff that I don't know where to go next on this topic. 
    It's enough that my late wife is still able and willing to come visit me from time to time and let me know that she is still alive and well.   When I want more detailed connections, I go to some local Reader and Irene is instantly there with her loving, pleasant personality and hilariously good humor.  Just knowing how good it is for her over in that dimension is all I need at this time. 
    Thank you for offering some more information in this thread and please accept my gratitude and best wishes to and for you,
    Yours,
    jim & irene  :hugz:
    I find evidential mediumship uncomfortable to listen to because it lacks the depth of connection and wisdom that I find in spirit.  
    Evidence isnt needed, but spiritualism (I am most familiar with snu spiritualism) uses mediumship to fulfill its mission to prove life after death, so many mediums are taught that way.
    The thread you found was called life after the death of the body.
    Plants and rocks etc do have spirit, but I communicate with guides. This communication gives understanding and wisdom. Ive been in a state in which I was aware of healers all around me, healing me. Ive also experienced been part of a group of spirits... when there Im aware that decisions are made, but have no awareness of what they are. 
    When I say, a not interested in evidence medium, Im being lighthearted, but mean that in my communication with spirit, Im not interested in giving evidence of life after death. 
    Its good to hear that you able to reach irene and she you x

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    Re: Individuality

    Post  mac on Thu May 25, 2017 11:00 pm

    "I find evidential mediumship uncomfortable to listen to because it lacks the depth of connection and wisdom that I find in spirit. "

    Evidential mediumship, of course, isn't intended to have any particular 'depth of connection' for the intended recipient of the comfort it's intended to bring.  It's to try to relieve the sometimes crushing sadness and emptiness experienced on the death of a loved one.

    "Evidence isnt needed, but spiritualism (I am most familiar with snu spiritualism) uses mediumship to fulfill its mission to prove life after death, so many mediums are taught that way."

    Modern Spiritualism's aim is essentially what I've outlined above hence mediums are naturally encouraged to develop appropriate attributes when working in the church organisation to help the bereaved.


    "Plants and rocks etc do have spirit,"

    All life is indeed animated by the same life force that animates us humankind and all other life.


    "....but I communicate with guides. This communication gives understanding and wisdom."

    Understanding may lead on to wisdom, particularly when it's used appropriately.  

    "When I say, a not interested in evidence medium, Im being lighthearted, but mean that in my communication with spirit, Im not interested in giving evidence of life after death."  

    Based on what my helpers tell me, that's not so much being a medium as a sensitive.

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    Re: Individuality

    Post  jimrich on Fri May 26, 2017 12:11 am

    Blueanchor wrote:
    jimrich wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    jimrich wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:My response at no. 2 was from personal experience, perhaps you missed it?
    Oh you mean this post: 
    Not all beings do maintain their individual characteristics after death. There are many different states (or planes) of existence. The emotional/personality aspect of being is closest to physical being.
    In life, people who have no other psychic experiences, seem to still pick up on the feelings and thoughts of those that they are emotionally close to. It seems to me that, the continuation of the personality/ego after death is related to the emotional pull between people. In this way, you mention that you don't want them to dissolve, and I don't believe they will until both you and they choose to take that journey.
    LOL, no I didn't "miss" it but it reads like a lecture or speech and not like a sharing of your own Medium-ship experiences or even knowledge.  I recommend you use more 'I' statements than: "It seems to me" and "I don't believe" comments, which do not look like your own experiences at all.  Sharing is about saying what is true FOR YOU and not offering opinions or a lecture.  Perhaps you could offer your own, actual, real and personal experiences and knowledge, as a Medium, on this topic.
    Those words are used because I find the evidential mediumship of spiritualism uncomfortable to listen to.
    I looked up: evidential mediumship and it fits what I've experienced with several Mediums although, with Irene, they don't have to "convince" me that she is really there at the Readings.  Why is it uncomfortable to listen to?

    However, over the years I have listened to evidential mediums say many times that giving evidence of an afterlife helps to comfort people that have lost loved ones. Ive also listened to people seking confirmation from evidential mediums that their loved ones are living in an afterlife and they are going to be reunited. So i try to tread carefully in respect of thhe needs and beliefs of others, including you.
    I accept and respect that but I still don't understand why "evidence" is needed other than where a client CANNOT accept that their loved one (or whoever) is still alive and present at the Reading.
    You have now found a thread in which I have shared my experiences of discarnated people, so I wont bother repeating that.
    Sorry but I don't recall where that thread is.  Please link me to it again.......

    What I will say, is that my experience of spirit beyond the mental/emotional afterlife that you spoke of, shows that we are capeable of existance across different states of conciousness and we exist in those multiple states.
    While I do not deeply study this stuff, I can see that you may be referring to the spirit(s) of plants or other kinds of inanimate beings/objects throughout the universe that are generally thought to not have a "spirit", consciousness or being (words can be maddening!).  I accept the existence of these "different" states even if I have no direct experience with them other than through Irene and that's not a close involvement by me with or inside of the Afterlife as I currently know or understand it.

    As a not interested in evidence medium,
    What does "not interested" mean? 

    I communicate with spirit energy that is neither dissolved or living as their physical or mental/emotional self. The only spirits that I have ever been in touch with in the mental state, are those that still have an emotional connection in physical form.
    This is way over my head now and I can't even think of a meaningful question.  Would this be the spirit energy of, say, a: rock, water, air, light, something invisible, pure imagination, etc.?
    Likewise, the only beings that evidential mediums find the accepted evidence from, are discarnates that still have an emotional bond in the physical plane. Based on that experience, I believe that spirits in the mental emotional state after death are in that state because they need to be for them or for a loved one still in physical form.
    Yes, I can see that Irene needs to contact me as a person or in a form that I can recognize as being her, Irene, even if she, as spirit now, no longer holds any of Irene's personal or physical characteristics over there.  It must be weird to be spirit and still have to express as a "person" to us Incarnates, in this plane, for a connection or communication between the two (or more) planes.  I am so limited in my knowledge of spirit, planes, the afterlife and other esoteric stuff that I don't know where to go next on this topic. 
    It's enough that my late wife is still able and willing to come visit me from time to time and let me know that she is still alive and well.   When I want more detailed connections, I go to some local Reader and Irene is instantly there with her loving, pleasant personality and hilariously good humor.  Just knowing how good it is for her over in that dimension is all I need at this time. 
    Thank you for offering some more information in this thread and please accept my gratitude and best wishes to and for you,
    Yours,
    jim & irene  :hugz:

    by Blueanchor:
    (I am most familiar with snu spiritualism)
    Jim: I had to look up SNU .... cool stuff. 
    I am over my head re: spiritualism, Spirit, Guides and the Afterlife with only bits and pieces of info or direct experience on any of that.
    Ive been in a state in which I was aware of healers all around me, healing me.
    My late wife, Irene, sometimes talked about "healings" but I don't have any experiences of it.  She was very sick and needed a lot healing her whole life but I never saw any "evidence" of her being healed, unless it happened at a "soul' level.  I still cannot figure out why she did not know she was diabetic or had some other "ailments" before the doctors had to tell her.  Some have told me that being "gifted" may not bring total self awareness or understanding to the "gifted" one. [??????]
    Irene had several "guides" and I spoke with a few of them at the beginning of our union but kind of dropped out later on.  Irene even gave me a guide, Elan, but I never actually connected up with him/her.  Perhaps I'll try it again some day.
    Spiritualism is such a deep and specialized area of life and I am not particularly "gifted" beyond able to accept things I do not currently understand like: UFOs, Aliens, Fairies, Dis-incarnates, Guides, Angels, Heavens and life beyond physical death so there isn't much else I can say here.  My current interest is in Non-duality, Advaita or the Absolute/Oneness so, diving into issues surrounding individuals, on Earth or in Spirit is less of my focus than The All or No-thingness.  I hope that doesn't seem like "escapism", LOL. :blush:

    Going back to the SNU topic:
    Seven Principles:-
    1. The Fatherhood of God.
    2. The Brotherhood of Man.
    3. The Communion of Spirits and the Ministry of Angels.
    4. The Continuous Existence of the Human Soul.
    5. Personal Responsibility.
    6. Compensation and Retribution Hereafter for all the Good & Evil Deeds done on Earth.
    7. Eternal Progress Open to every Human Soul.
    That's a pretty good list, IMO. :astar:
    Thanks 4 your comments and best wishes and good health,
    jim  :hugz:[/quote]
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    Re: Individuality

    Post  Blueanchor on Fri May 26, 2017 8:39 pm

    mac wrote:"I find evidential mediumship uncomfortable to listen to because it lacks the depth of connection and wisdom that I find in spirit. "

    Evidential mediumship, of course, isn't intended to have any particular 'depth of connection' for the intended recipient of the comfort it's intended to bring.  It's to try to relieve the sometimes crushing sadness and emptiness experienced on the death of a loved one.

    "Evidence isnt needed, but spiritualism (I am most familiar with snu spiritualism) uses mediumship to fulfill its mission to prove life after death, so many mediums are taught that way."

    Modern Spiritualism's aim is essentially what I've outlined above hence mediums are naturally encouraged to develop appropriate attributes when working in the church organisation to help the bereaved.


    "Plants and rocks etc do have spirit,"

    All life is indeed animated by the same life force that animates us humankind and all other life.


    "....but I communicate with guides. This communication gives understanding and wisdom."

    Understanding may lead on to wisdom, particularly when it's used appropriately.  

    "When I say, a not interested in evidence medium, Im being lighthearted, but mean that in my communication with spirit, Im not interested in giving evidence of life after death."  

    Based on what my helpers tell me, that's not so much being a medium as a sensitive.
    To some it brings comfort Mac, to others it puts them through many disappointments as they hang on to loved ones waiting for that message to come. 
    Im only really aware of snu spiritualism... in the uk they are the main religious body for spiritualism and teaching mediums. They do quite clearly say tha snu provides services which include mediumship to provide evidence of the existance of the spirit within us all and the continuation of every individual soul beyond death. 
    I dont really know what you mean by modern spiritualists or if there is a church whose aim is to bring people comfort.
     Because mediumship has been defined by spiritualism, there are often attempts to relabel communication between spirit and people, that isnt done for evidence. I hope that will one day change.

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    Re: Individuality

    Post  mac on Fri May 26, 2017 9:38 pm

    Blueanchor wrote:
    mac wrote:"I find evidential mediumship uncomfortable to listen to because it lacks the depth of connection and wisdom that I find in spirit. "

    Evidential mediumship, of course, isn't intended to have any particular 'depth of connection' for the intended recipient of the comfort it's intended to bring.  It's to try to relieve the sometimes crushing sadness and emptiness experienced on the death of a loved one.

    "Evidence isnt needed, but spiritualism (I am most familiar with snu spiritualism) uses mediumship to fulfill its mission to prove life after death, so many mediums are taught that way."

    Modern Spiritualism's aim is essentially what I've outlined above hence mediums are naturally encouraged to develop appropriate attributes when working in the church organisation to help the bereaved.


    "Plants and rocks etc do have spirit,"

    All life is indeed animated by the same life force that animates us humankind and all other life.


    "....but I communicate with guides. This communication gives understanding and wisdom."

    Understanding may lead on to wisdom, particularly when it's used appropriately.  

    "When I say, a not interested in evidence medium, Im being lighthearted, but mean that in my communication with spirit, Im not interested in giving evidence of life after death."  

    Based on what my helpers tell me, that's not so much being a medium as a sensitive.
    To some it brings comfort Mac, to others it puts them through many disappointments as they hang on to loved ones waiting for that message to come. 
    Im only really aware of snu spiritualism... in the uk they are the main religious body for spiritualism and teaching mediums. They do quite clearly say tha snu provides services which include mediumship to provide evidence of the existance of the spirit within us all and the continuation of every individual soul beyond death. 
    I dont really know what you mean by modern spiritualists or if there is a church whose aim is to bring people comfort.
     Because mediumship has been defined by spiritualism, there are often attempts to relabel communication between spirit and people, that isnt done for evidence. I hope that will one day change.

    For those who receive and appreciate confirmation of survival it can bring huge comfort.  Simple, evidential mediumships isn't intended to take a seeker much beyond that.  I don't quite follow what you mean by saying "......it puts them through many disappointments as they hang on to loved ones waiting for that message to come."  How do they hang on to them?

    Perhaps you're not aware that I've been talking (for several years here and elsewhere) about Modern Spiritualism - the SNU is its mouthpiece organisation here in the UK of course.  Its churches are found throughout the UK although I think that not all Spiritualist churches are affiliated to the SNU.  And, again of course, not all mediums are Spiritualists.

    Mediumship is defined in different ways by different organisations and individuals and there's no single definition that's accepted by all.  I know EXACTLY what I mean when I speak about mediums and mediumship but also I KNOW my view isn't shared by everyone.


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    Re: Individuality

    Post  Blueanchor on Fri May 26, 2017 10:00 pm

    jimrich wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    jimrich wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    jimrich wrote:
    Oh you mean this post: 

    LOL, no I didn't "miss" it but it reads like a lecture or speech and not like a sharing of your own Medium-ship experiences or even knowledge.  I recommend you use more 'I' statements than: "It seems to me" and "I don't believe" comments, which do not look like your own experiences at all.  Sharing is about saying what is true FOR YOU and not offering opinions or a lecture.  Perhaps you could offer your own, actual, real and personal experiences and knowledge, as a Medium, on this topic.
    Those words are used because I find the evidential mediumship of spiritualism uncomfortable to listen to.
    I looked up: evidential mediumship and it fits what I've experienced with several Mediums although, with Irene, they don't have to "convince" me that she is really there at the Readings.  Why is it uncomfortable to listen to?

    However, over the years I have listened to evidential mediums say many times that giving evidence of an afterlife helps to comfort people that have lost loved ones. Ive also listened to people seking confirmation from evidential mediums that their loved ones are living in an afterlife and they are going to be reunited. So i try to tread carefully in respect of thhe needs and beliefs of others, including you.
    I accept and respect that but I still don't understand why "evidence" is needed other than where a client CANNOT accept that their loved one (or whoever) is still alive and present at the Reading.
    You have now found a thread in which I have shared my experiences of discarnated people, so I wont bother repeating that.
    Sorry but I don't recall where that thread is.  Please link me to it again.......

    What I will say, is that my experience of spirit beyond the mental/emotional afterlife that you spoke of, shows that we are capeable of existance across different states of conciousness and we exist in those multiple states.
    While I do not deeply study this stuff, I can see that you may be referring to the spirit(s) of plants or other kinds of inanimate beings/objects throughout the universe that are generally thought to not have a "spirit", consciousness or being (words can be maddening!).  I accept the existence of these "different" states even if I have no direct experience with them other than through Irene and that's not a close involvement by me with or inside of the Afterlife as I currently know or understand it.

    As a not interested in evidence medium,
    What does "not interested" mean? 

    I communicate with spirit energy that is neither dissolved or living as their physical or mental/emotional self. The only spirits that I have ever been in touch with in the mental state, are those that still have an emotional connection in physical form.
    This is way over my head now and I can't even think of a meaningful question.  Would this be the spirit energy of, say, a: rock, water, air, light, something invisible, pure imagination, etc.?
    Likewise, the only beings that evidential mediums find the accepted evidence from, are discarnates that still have an emotional bond in the physical plane. Based on that experience, I believe that spirits in the mental emotional state after death are in that state because they need to be for them or for a loved one still in physical form.
    Yes, I can see that Irene needs to contact me as a person or in a form that I can recognize as being her, Irene, even if she, as spirit now, no longer holds any of Irene's personal or physical characteristics over there.  It must be weird to be spirit and still have to express as a "person" to us Incarnates, in this plane, for a connection or communication between the two (or more) planes.  I am so limited in my knowledge of spirit, planes, the afterlife and other esoteric stuff that I don't know where to go next on this topic. 
    It's enough that my late wife is still able and willing to come visit me from time to time and let me know that she is still alive and well.   When I want more detailed connections, I go to some local Reader and Irene is instantly there with her loving, pleasant personality and hilariously good humor.  Just knowing how good it is for her over in that dimension is all I need at this time. 
    Thank you for offering some more information in this thread and please accept my gratitude and best wishes to and for you,
    Yours,
    jim & irene  :hugz:

    by Blueanchor:
    (I am most familiar with snu spiritualism)
    Jim: I had to look up SNU .... cool stuff. 
    I am over my head re: spiritualism, Spirit, Guides and the Afterlife with only bits and pieces of info or direct experience on any of that.
    Ive been in a state in which I was aware of healers all around me, healing me.
    My late wife, Irene, sometimes talked about "healings" but I don't have any experiences of it.  She was very sick and needed a lot healing her whole life but I never saw any "evidence" of her being healed, unless it happened at a "soul' level.  I still cannot figure out why she did not know she was diabetic or had some other "ailments" before the doctors had to tell her.  Some have told me that being "gifted" may not bring total self awareness or understanding to the "gifted" one. [??????]
    Irene had several "guides" and I spoke with a few of them at the beginning of our union but kind of dropped out later on.  Irene even gave me a guide, Elan, but I never actually connected up with him/her.  Perhaps I'll try it again some day.
    Spiritualism is such a deep and specialized area of life and I am not particularly "gifted" beyond able to accept things I do not currently understand like: UFOs, Aliens, Fairies, Dis-incarnates, Guides, Angels, Heavens and life beyond physical death so there isn't much else I can say here.  My current interest is in Non-duality, Advaita or the Absolute/Oneness so, diving into issues surrounding individuals, on Earth or in Spirit is less of my focus than The All or No-thingness.  I hope that doesn't seem like "escapism", LOL. :blush:

    Going back to the SNU topic:
    Seven Principles:-
    1. The Fatherhood of God.
    2. The Brotherhood of Man.
    3. The Communion of Spirits and the Ministry of Angels.
    4. The Continuous Existence of the Human Soul.
    5. Personal Responsibility.
    6. Compensation and Retribution Hereafter for all the Good & Evil Deeds done on Earth.
    7. Eternal Progress Open to every Human Soul.
    That's a pretty good list, IMO. :astar:
    Thanks 4 your comments and best wishes and good health,
    jim  :hugz:
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    Youre very welcome. I dont talk much about my experiences, but I dont mind sharing them when someone asks. All the best x

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