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    Post  ameliorate on Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:17 pm

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    In a recent discussion I am having on this forum, I have grown to be both puzzled and sceptical about mediums and what is being contacted exactly.  I have started this thread with an open mind to find some answers, i.e. do not mind being proved wrong if it makes sense.

    My understanding is that our ego comprises of our thoughts, emotions, memories etc - in short, our worldly ID and how we interact with the world.  This is what dies and our spirit lives on/our essence.

    So I do not understand when mediums contact the dead and pass on messages as if the spirit can think and feel...since thoughts, emotions and memories spring from our ego/worldly ID and our mind surely dies once the brain does.

    I read this today....


    "Mental mediumship" is communication of spirits with a medium by telepathy. The medium mentally "hears" (clairaudience), "sees" (clairvoyance), and/or feels (clairsentience) messages from spirits.

    The key word here is telepathy.  What I am wondering is whether the medium is picking up (via telepathy) the thoughts, feelings and memories from the person wishing to make contact with the dead and, hence, (for instance) would detect a nickname.  If so, it is no great stretch to pass on the badly needed reassurance of love etc. 

    I am not saying that mediums are intentionally fake.  Of course there are frauds, e.g. even Doris Stokes was caught out (by the investigator Ian Wilson) i.e. revealed to have done research and planted specific people in her audience!!!  For those who feel they genuinely have the gift, please explain what your experience is i.e. what is being contacted since thinking and feeling is of mind - not spirit.


    I would greatly appreciate honest feedback.  I wish to know the truth of what is going on.
    Thank you.
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    Post  Blueanchor on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:15 am

    On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.
    Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

    If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.
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    Post  Blueanchor on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:31 am

    mac wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:Mac Sometimes there is more learning to be found in looking outside the boxes of definition and questioning them.
    And sometimes it can lead to confusion and/or ambiguity.... 

    Are you reluctant to even consider explaining the meaning of the tiny bit inside the box before we begin considering the universe outside of it? 
    I don't want to get into another discussion about definition with you Mac because of the way the last one went.
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    Post  ameliorate on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:48 am

    Blueanchor wrote:
    On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.
    Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

    If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.
    Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

    I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

    There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?

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    Post  mac on Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:13 am

    Blueanchor wrote:
    mac wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:Mac Sometimes there is more learning to be found in looking outside the boxes of definition and questioning them.
    And sometimes it can lead to confusion and/or ambiguity.... 

    Are you reluctant to even consider explaining the meaning of the tiny bit inside the box before we begin considering the universe outside of it? 
    I don't want to get into another discussion about definition with you Mac because of the way the last one went.
    I'm only interested in pursuing the points I raised and to which you responded.  I had, of course, actually agreed with what you had said earlier. :hugz:
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    Post  Blueanchor on Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:40 pm

    ameliorate wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.
    Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

    If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.
    Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

    I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

    There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?
    I had an experience of a friend that died and there was a period of months after her death that I felt her around, and in which she communicated with me with learning about her life and about death. Then that energy disappeared completely. From this experience, I'm inclined to agree that the human identity or personality is only temporary layer that drops away.

    When mediumship is the goal of a group (or a medium that has not developed as a psychic is teaching), then the word 'psychic' tends to be used to describe what mediumship is not... or what should not be mistaken as being mediumship. But it makes for a poor definition of what psychic is. 

    A psychic connection is to spirit that animates life on earth. A psychic can often read the energy that has touched non-living objects (residue from spirit - as a dog can track a person from its scent), but it is spirit in the living that they connect with and communicate with.

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    Post  skye on Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:39 pm

    Blueanchor wrote:
    skye wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:i agree with you, that they are likely picking up on the memories of the sitters and the connection the sitter had to the relative.

    Part of me feels that they're not deliberately misleading people and they are succeeding in giving comfort to grieving people - for that grieving person, the psychic has brought their loved one back for a moment and given them the chance to say goodbye in the knowledge that they are not really gone. That psychic (and this os the label we are using here) is doing good in this world, through their belief that they are connecting to spirit.

    Perhaps sometimes, the intent of proving life after death through mediumship can diminish the role of comfort, hope and compassion that mediumship and psychic connections can offer.
    I don't believe psychics can bring back any one person from the world of spirit, if they are tuning into a playback of residual energy, or the exchange of information is coming from the aura of a sitter or, an inanimate object.  It demonstrates a psychic is using their sense of intuition to retrieve information from the surrounding atmosphere.  Interpretation of this alone could well mislead (deliberately or not) some sitter's into believing a psychic is in direct contact with their loved one, when in fact they could be anything but. Therefore under these circumstances it is likely the bereaved could find comfort from the session. 

    I disagree with your last comment,The purpose of mediumship is to provide evidence of our continued survival. It is hoped the transfer of information can be acknowledged and validated by a recipient. In my experience, mental mediumship (the topic of the thread) is a 2 way mind to mind linking of spiritual energies. Any transference of thought usually goes from spirit, through spirit, to spirit. Thereby, surely the role of a medium is to relay the direct thoughts of the spirit person to bring comfort to their loved ones?    
    The purpose of SNU mediumship is to provide evidence of the continued survival of the personality. The purpose of mediumship in my view, is to provide a vessel for spirit (and that definition goes beyond the personality) for spiritual communication in the earthly dimension. A spirit guide doesn't provide evidence of the personalities existence, but it is still spirit communication to the earthly existence, but not necessarily for comfort or to provide proof, but instead to offer wisdom and guidance.

    On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.
    I believe the purpose of SNU mental mediumship is to provide evidence of our continued survival after physical death. This is said to be demonstrated by a spirit communicator conveying information directly to their loved ones through a medium. This information could include how they passed and what age, their personality, and character, their relationship to the sitter as well as mentioning the past memories of their own physical life, etc. 

    Speaking from my experience, a person who applies their innate psychic or intuitive ability can also pick up this information from an aura, yet I have noticed a majority of these people for whatever reason, it would seem have difficulty connecting to and communicating with someone now living in the spirit realms, for the purpose of mental mediumship.

    I understand spirit communication can occur through guides to offer wisdom, guidance or spiritual philosophy.  Although people should always question before blindly accepting what is given. This applies to any communication however it is expressed. 

    This should not suggest from anyone person or organisation that people cannot connect psychically with energies from other dimensions, or for the connecting of soul mates. We all have this ability for we are spirit beings. While these type of connections are interesting and have their use, in my view they do little to provide evidence of survival to a sitter, which in the main to many people is the sole purpose of mediumship.    


    In addition to the above a spirit communicator can tell their loved ones they have net up with a relative or friend including pet who is known to the sitter. I imagine this is not possible if residual energy was being read.   

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    Post  skye on Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:50 pm

    mac wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:But doesn't that just take us back to the conversation that led on to this one, and that questionability of what is the energy of the soul - is it the personality? Is it that single cell spark of existence? Is it a higher consciousness or the culmination of everything experienced throughout a multitude of lives, of personalities or even of dimensions.

    If mediumship is communication between spirit and the mind of the medium, then to define what is mediumship, we'd have to define what is spirit.

    There seems no real argument to say that picking up on recently deceased relatives that may prove existence, isn't a valid aspect of spirit. But there seems an equal argument for there being more than one aspect of spirit and mediums that communicate with other aspects of spirit.
    re the above highlighted text

    I agree absolutely that for this and other similar discussions it's not simply helpful it's actually essential to agree among ourselves (at least) what different words and terms are intended to convey.  Once meanings have been agreed we could explain our personal approaches and what underpins them.  We all need to accept that there are no written-in-stone definitions that we must follow and it could be beneficial to agree our own - dictionary definitions simply reflect common usage and usage can, and does, change.

    Some of the words we use repeatedly - medium,  psychic,   spirit,  soul,  and afterlife - might be the ones needing our attention first. 


    Does anyone agree?

    I agree as it could prevent confusion, however the likelihood of it happening is nigh impossible.

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    Post  skye on Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:02 pm

    Blueanchor wrote:
    On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.
    Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

    If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.


    Discarnate spirits appear as they were for validation purposes. Allegedly, when we first cross over we are the same person mentally and emotionally as prior to death. Eventually a spirit progress's as they realise their attitude and and firmly held beliefs are of no use and could have been wrong anyhow. If a communicating spirit began saying how much they loved you, when your memory of them is the exact opposite, surely a sitter would say this is incorrect.

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    Post  mac on Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:12 pm

    skye wrote:
    mac wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:But doesn't that just take us back to the conversation that led on to this one, and that questionability of what is the energy of the soul - is it the personality? Is it that single cell spark of existence? Is it a higher consciousness or the culmination of everything experienced throughout a multitude of lives, of personalities or even of dimensions.

    If mediumship is communication between spirit and the mind of the medium, then to define what is mediumship, we'd have to define what is spirit.

    There seems no real argument to say that picking up on recently deceased relatives that may prove existence, isn't a valid aspect of spirit. But there seems an equal argument for there being more than one aspect of spirit and mediums that communicate with other aspects of spirit.
    re the above highlighted text

    I agree absolutely that for this and other similar discussions it's not simply helpful it's actually essential to agree among ourselves (at least) what different words and terms are intended to convey.  Once meanings have been agreed we could explain our personal approaches and what underpins them.  We all need to accept that there are no written-in-stone definitions that we must follow and it could be beneficial to agree our own - dictionary definitions simply reflect common usage and usage can, and does, change.

    Some of the words we use repeatedly - medium,  psychic,   spirit,  soul,  and afterlife - might be the ones needing our attention first. 


    Does anyone agree?

    I agree as it could prevent confusion, however the likelihood of it happening is nigh impossible.
    Agreed that!  I don't follow why there is so much reluctance to even try though.  What is there to be afraid of, one wonders? :scratch:

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    Post  skye on Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:17 pm

    ameliorate wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.
    Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

    If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.
    Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

    I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

    There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?
    I can recall receiving a reading a number of years ago from a long, distant relative, who I had no idea of. He said his name was Lawerence, and he was killed at the battle of Khartoum before passing over other information. I couldn't validate the spirit or any of the information. However when I mentioned this to my parents, my dad went upstairs and came down with a small, blood stained bible. Upon looking inside the book there was an inscription showing this bible once belonged to his uncle. Apparently his uncle died with the bible in his pocket and was returned to his family with all his belongings.
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    Post  ameliorate on Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:19 pm

    OK Mac, I am game - let's start to try and define medium, psychic, soul, spirit and the afterlife! 



    As I suggested above, since mediums must also use esp (as do psychics) then maybe the only difference between them is that a medium is an ADVANCED psychic?  Otherwise, what else do they employ in making contact?


    It is my understanding (also backed up by dictionaries) that the world soul or spirit can be used interchangeability, i.e. denote the same thing.

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    Post  mac on Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:27 pm

    This thread - lodged under the umbrella heading of 'Mediumship' - started by asking specific questions about mediums and telepathy.  Anyone following it will have seen that 'medium' and 'mediumship' mean very different things to members.



    Has any progress been made towards answering aimeliorate's questions?

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    Post  skye on Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:37 pm

    Blueanchor wrote:
    ameliorate wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.
    Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

    If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.
    Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

    I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

    There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?
    I had an experience of a friend that died and there was a period of months after her death that I felt her around, and in which she communicated with me with learning about her life and about death. Then that energy disappeared completely. From this experience, I'm inclined to agree that the human identity or personality is only temporary layer that drops away.

    When mediumship is the goal of a group (or a medium that has not developed as a psychic is teaching), then the word 'psychic' tends to be used to describe what mediumship is not... or what should not be mistaken as being mediumship. But it makes for a poor definition of what psychic is. 

    A psychic connection is to spirit that animates life on earth. A psychic can often read the energy that has touched non-living objects (residue from spirit - as a dog can track a person from its scent), but it is spirit in the living that they connect with and communicate with.
    There is also the possibility that once an incarnate is aware their loved ones and/or friends are as much as alive now, as they were before their physical death. then perhaps there is no reason for the spirit to delay their spiritual progression any further, and choose to move onward.
    I do hope you are not referring to me as teaching anyone? If not, apologies for the error of my judgement.

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    Post  mac on Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:01 pm

    ameliorate wrote:OK Mac, I am game - let's start to try and define medium, psychic, soul, spirit and the afterlife! 



    As I suggested above, since mediums must also use esp (as do psychics) then maybe the only difference between them is that a medium is an ADVANCED psychic?  Otherwise, what else do they employ in making contact?


    It is my understanding (also backed up by dictionaries) that the world soul or spirit can be used interchangeability, i.e. denote the same thing.
    I think members here already know what I mean by 'a medium' as I've written about it almost to distraction but I'm prepared to accept others' meanings.  Similarly for 'a psychic'. 

     I'm completely comfortable using soul and spirit interchangeably for this discussion and it's how I use them in real life anyway. 

    I'm open to discussion about what meaning 'the afterlife' has, what it actually implies for us all.

    I agree that 'medium' (using my understanding of the word) involves extra-sensory perception to link with discarnate communicators.  I can agree that 'a psychic' may link to discarnate communicators too again using ESP. 

    I consider that if  'a psychic' links to a discarnate communicator to bring healing,
    information and/or guidance on spiritual matters for others then that individual is actually a medium, again based on the meaning I use.

    Purely personally:
     
    1. If 'a psychic' links to a discarnate communicator for personal benefit/guidance etc. then to me that's not mediumship. 
    2. If 'a psychic' uses her/his sensitivity to glean only from an individual information relating to the individual then that's not mediumship.
      Neither of the above would prevent 'a psychic' from sometimes also acting as 'a medium' if the 'ability' was there.

    I'd be prepared to consider adopting the terms 'psychic medium' and 'spiritual medium' in the way Americans often use them provided we had agreement about meaning.
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    Post  ameliorate on Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:02 pm

    mac wrote:This thread - lodged under the umbrella heading of 'Mediumship' - started by asking specific questions about mediums and telepathy.  Anyone following it will have seen that 'medium' and 'mediumship' mean very different things to members.

    Has any progress been made towards answering ameliorate's questions?
    Well I have learnt (amongst other things) that psychics pick up residual energy and that this seems to be more likely than a medium contacting a spirit/incarnate, unless it has been recently departed.  This is what I was most interested in finding out i.e. whether what is contacted/'picked up' could be to do with what is already known about the deceased (for instance, via the sitter - using telepathy) or whether there is indeed contact with the soul as they are after death that still pertains to them as a recognisable personality.
      

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    Post  skye on Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:29 pm

    ameliorate wrote:OK Mac, I am game - let's start to try and define medium, psychic, soul, spirit and the afterlife! 



    As I suggested above, since mediums must also use esp (as do psychics) then maybe the only difference between them is that a medium is an ADVANCED psychic?  Otherwise, what else do they employ in making contact?


    It is my understanding (also backed up by dictionaries) that the world soul or spirit can be used interchangeability, i.e. denote the same thing.
    I thought it would have been common knowledge that the 3 main clair faculties which mediums and psychics use, to help interpret impressions gleaned from a discarnate spirit, or that of a human being is known as esp.

    I perceive spirit as being the life force energy of ones nature that enables all life forms to animate life, either in a physical or spiritual environment.

    Soul to me suggests universal power which is in constant operation.And to that state that we shall return when physical life ends.

    Psychic - a human being who uses their psychic faculty to link into the aura surrounding another human being to retrieve information or impressions.

    Medium - a person who uses their heightened awareness to act as a go between for the physical and spiritual world. 

    Mediumship - covers the many different aspects which goes under the mediumistic umbrella.  Applies to a medium's work for communication purposes between the 2 worlds, physical and spiritual.

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    Post  mac on Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:37 pm

    ameliorate wrote:
    mac wrote:This thread - lodged under the umbrella heading of 'Mediumship' - started by asking specific questions about mediums and telepathy.  Anyone following it will have seen that 'medium' and 'mediumship' mean very different things to members.

    Has any progress been made towards answering ameliorate's questions?
    Well I have learnt (amongst other things) that psychics pick up residual energy and that this seems to be more likely than a medium contacting a spirit/incarnate, unless it has been recently departed.  This is what I was most interested in finding out i.e. whether what is contacted/'picked up' could be to do with what is already known about the deceased (for instance, via the sitter - using telepathy) or whether there is indeed contact with the soul as they are after death that still pertains to them as a recognisable personality.
      
    You've found what you're looking for and that's good. I am interested in the rest but maybe now we should leave things be.  It's unlikely we'll reach any consensus about what word should mean what.
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    Post  ameliorate on Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:16 pm

    mac wrote:
    ameliorate wrote:
    mac wrote:This thread - lodged under the umbrella heading of 'Mediumship' - started by asking specific questions about mediums and telepathy.  Anyone following it will have seen that 'medium' and 'mediumship' mean very different things to members.

    Has any progress been made towards answering ameliorate's questions?
    Well I have learnt (amongst other things) that psychics pick up residual energy and that this seems to be more likely than a medium contacting a spirit/incarnate, unless it has been recently departed.  This is what I was most interested in finding out i.e. whether what is contacted/'picked up' could be to do with what is already known about the deceased (for instance, via the sitter - using telepathy) or whether there is indeed contact with the soul as they are after death that still pertains to them as a recognisable personality.
      
    You've found what you're looking for and that's good. I am interested in the rest but maybe now we should leave things be.  It's unlikely we'll reach any consensus about what word should mean what.
    Yes and thank you all for contributing to this discovery!

    I am pleased that this thread seems to have sparked such interest e.g. even skye has returned!
        Welcome back!!    Where have you been? 
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    Post  Blueanchor on Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:48 pm

    I'll just point you in the direction of reading my posts Mac.

    In them you'll find definitions of what an SNU medium does and is and of what a medium as a vessel for spirit to communicate does and is.

    You'll also find clear and detailed definitions of what a psychic connection is.

    What you won't find is a clear definition of what constitutes the spirit. This is the question that started this conversation and I've enjoyed considering the possibilities of what can be defined as spirit. Hence why it serves to learn more to not define it.

    Listening to Skye on her experience as a medium, I do believe that she has two way conversation with the discarnated personality.  But, like Ame, I don't believe (or might go so far as to say that I know) that the surface personality is not the whole of a human being, let alone the whole picture of spirit.

    So there you have it, the definitions were not exactly hidden for you to read :candle:
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    Post  Blueanchor on Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:52 pm

    skye wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    ameliorate wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.
    Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

    If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.
    Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

    I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

    There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?
    I had an experience of a friend that died and there was a period of months after her death that I felt her around, and in which she communicated with me with learning about her life and about death. Then that energy disappeared completely. From this experience, I'm inclined to agree that the human identity or personality is only temporary layer that drops away.

    When mediumship is the goal of a group (or a medium that has not developed as a psychic is teaching), then the word 'psychic' tends to be used to describe what mediumship is not... or what should not be mistaken as being mediumship. But it makes for a poor definition of what psychic is. 

    A psychic connection is to spirit that animates life on earth. A psychic can often read the energy that has touched non-living objects (residue from spirit - as a dog can track a person from its scent), but it is spirit in the living that they connect with and communicate with.
    There is also the possibility that once an incarnate is aware their loved ones and/or friends are as much as alive now, as they were before their physical death. then perhaps there is no reason for the spirit to delay their spiritual progression any further, and choose to move onward.
    I do hope you are not referring to me as teaching anyone? If not, apologies for the error of my judgement.
    If I'd have meant that, I'd have said so Skye.

    I don't like insinuations as have been made about me not sharing definitions and I don't do it myself about other people.

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    Post  skye on Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:39 pm

    Blueanchor wrote:
    skye wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    ameliorate wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

    If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.
    Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

    I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

    There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?
    I had an experience of a friend that died and there was a period of months after her death that I felt her around, and in which she communicated with me with learning about her life and about death. Then that energy disappeared completely. From this experience, I'm inclined to agree that the human identity or personality is only temporary layer that drops away.

    When mediumship is the goal of a group (or a medium that has not developed as a psychic is teaching), then the word 'psychic' tends to be used to describe what mediumship is not... or what should not be mistaken as being mediumship. But it makes for a poor definition of what psychic is. 

    A psychic connection is to spirit that animates life on earth. A psychic can often read the energy that has touched non-living objects (residue from spirit - as a dog can track a person from its scent), but it is spirit in the living that they connect with and communicate with.
    There is also the possibility that once an incarnate is aware their loved ones and/or friends are as much as alive now, as they were before their physical death. then perhaps there is no reason for the spirit to delay their spiritual progression any further, and choose to move onward.
    I do hope you are not referring to me as teaching anyone? If not, apologies for the error of my judgement.
    If I'd have meant that, I'd have said so Skye.

    I don't like insinuations as have been made about me not sharing definitions and I don't do it myself about other people.
    I haven't made any insinuations about you so why mention it in your reply?

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    Post  mac on Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:07 pm

    Blueanchor wrote:I'll just point you in the direction of reading my posts Mac.

    In them you'll find definitions of what an SNU medium does and is and of what a medium as a vessel for spirit to communicate does and is.

    You'll also find clear and detailed definitions of what a psychic connection is.

    What you won't find is a clear definition of what constitutes the spirit. This is the question that started this conversation and I've enjoyed considering the possibilities of what can be defined as spirit. Hence why it serves to learn more to not define it.

    Listening to Skye on her experience as a medium, I do believe that she has two way conversation with the discarnated personality.  But, like Ame, I don't believe (or might go so far as to say that I know) that the surface personality is not the whole of a human being, let alone the whole picture of spirit.

    So there you have it, the definitions were not exactly hidden for you to read :candle:
    In posting #73 I suggested we might want consider the meanings of  "medium,  psychic,   spirit,  soul,  and afterlife".   You could have written a sentence or two rather than just point me (quote) "..in the direction of reading" your posts.  Your meanings - all our meanings - were for others to consider.  Were they too meant to go looking?

     I have already read what you've written on various subjects but some, short simple statements would have been easier to deal with.  My idea was to see if we could find common ground on the meanings of words.  Perhaps you're not interested in that?

    I agree that nailing a simple meaning for 'spirit' might be tricky but I just wanted to learn what it meant to us individually - I wasn't seeking to define it any more than I was seeking to define any others. 

    I don't know what a (quote) "discarnated personality" means.  Something else where a simple explanation would be helpful to see if we could find common ground over its meaning.

    To respond to you final sentence, I didn't ask for definitions I asked about meanings.  If I wanted a definition I'd consult several dictionaries.  I wouldn't accept you as a single source for one any more than I would accept any other individual's version - including my own.

    Yes the way you use the words I asked about, their meaning for you are (quote) "not exactly hidden" but did you think it's so important that I would search through all your material?  I'm interested in what you believe but please don't treat me like you're a professor and I'm a student
    desperately seeking your counsel.
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    Post  Blueanchor on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:10 pm

    skye wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    skye wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:
    ameliorate wrote:
    Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

    I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

    There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?
    I had an experience of a friend that died and there was a period of months after her death that I felt her around, and in which she communicated with me with learning about her life and about death. Then that energy disappeared completely. From this experience, I'm inclined to agree that the human identity or personality is only temporary layer that drops away.

    When mediumship is the goal of a group (or a medium that has not developed as a psychic is teaching), then the word 'psychic' tends to be used to describe what mediumship is not... or what should not be mistaken as being mediumship. But it makes for a poor definition of what psychic is. 

    A psychic connection is to spirit that animates life on earth. A psychic can often read the energy that has touched non-living objects (residue from spirit - as a dog can track a person from its scent), but it is spirit in the living that they connect with and communicate with.
    There is also the possibility that once an incarnate is aware their loved ones and/or friends are as much as alive now, as they were before their physical death. then perhaps there is no reason for the spirit to delay their spiritual progression any further, and choose to move onward.
    I do hope you are not referring to me as teaching anyone? If not, apologies for the error of my judgement.
    If I'd have meant that, I'd have said so Skye.

    I don't like insinuations as have been made about me not sharing definitions and I don't do it myself about other people.
    I haven't made any insinuations about you so why mention it in your reply?
    I mentioned it because the conversation was between you and mac.
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    Post  Blueanchor on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:29 pm

    mac wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:I'll just point you in the direction of reading my posts Mac.

    In them you'll find definitions of what an SNU medium does and is and of what a medium as a vessel for spirit to communicate does and is.

    You'll also find clear and detailed definitions of what a psychic connection is.

    What you won't find is a clear definition of what constitutes the spirit. This is the question that started this conversation and I've enjoyed considering the possibilities of what can be defined as spirit. Hence why it serves to learn more to not define it.

    Listening to Skye on her experience as a medium, I do believe that she has two way conversation with the discarnated personality.  But, like Ame, I don't believe (or might go so far as to say that I know) that the surface personality is not the whole of a human being, let alone the whole picture of spirit.

    So there you have it, the definitions were not exactly hidden for you to read :candle:
    In posting #73 I suggested we might want consider the meanings of  "medium,  psychic,   spirit,  soul,  and afterlife".   You could have written a sentence or two rather than just point me (quote) "..in the direction of reading" your posts.  Your meanings - all our meanings - were for others to consider.  Were they too meant to go looking?

     I have already read what you've written on various subjects but some, short simple statements would have been easier to deal with.  My idea was to see if we could find common ground on the meanings of words.  Perhaps you're not interested in that?

    I agree that nailing a simple meaning for 'spirit' might be tricky but I just wanted to learn what it meant to us individually - I wasn't seeking to define it any more than I was seeking to define any others. 

    I don't know what a (quote) "discarnated personality" means.  Something else where a simple explanation would be helpful to see if we could find common ground over its meaning.

    To respond to you final sentence, I didn't ask for definitions I asked about meanings.  If I wanted a definition I'd consult several dictionaries.  I wouldn't accept you as a single source for one any more than I would accept any other individual's version - including my own.

    Yes the way you use the words I asked about, their meaning for you are (quote) "not exactly hidden" but did you think it's so important that I would search through all your material?  I'm interested in what you believe but please don't treat me like you're a professor and I'm a student
    desperately seeking your counsel.
    Perhaps it would have been best left when I said that I didn't want the conversation with you. Instead you chose to make silly comments suggesting that people that wouldn't give you explanations must be scared of something. Then where does it lead if I have a conversation, to you writing posts like you did earlier in the thread, making silly comments of "whatever...".

    So there is good reason why I didn't what to get into a conversation with you. I'm in it now because you wanted to insinuate rubbish because I didn't want to respond. I am under no delusion that you are wanting to be a student of anything, you are a man that wants an argument about definitions on the internet.
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    Post  ameliorate on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:32 pm

    Could you both please let it go now or start a thread to thrash out your differences (or even take it to PM maybe?)  It is making me quite ill to read how sour the situation is becoming and I don't want to unsubscribe on my own thread to avoid reading this escalating conflict.



    Thank you.


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